Opinion: It’s not that hard to be clear-eyed about Charlottesville

President Donald Trump speaks to the media in the lobby of Trump Tower, Tuesday, New York. (AP Photo / Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

I’m back after a couple of days of reporting outside Atlanta. Somehow, we are still talking about the propriety of those who assembled under and against the banners of Nazi swastikas in Charlottesville.

Sigh.

Folks, this is not that hard:

  • Neo-Nazis are bad.
  • The KKK: also bad.
  • White supremacists: bad today, bad tomorrow, bad forever.
  • Anyone who showed up in Charlottesville thinking they were joining a peaceful/respectful/reasonable protest against a Civil War monument’s removal, then looked around, saw the swastikas and the militia types and the (tiki) torches, heard the anti-Semitism, and decided to stick around anyway: deserving of the stench now attached to them.
  • Although these people refer to themselves as “the right” and claimed to “Unite the Right,” they are the extreme of the extremists, and any attempt to label all or most conservatives or Republicans as being the same as them is total bull.

But, see, this should also not be hard:

  • Not everyone who fights a fascist is a “good guy.” See: communists in Italy, Germany and Spain, circa the 1920s and ’30s. See also: the Soviet Union.
  • While “antifa” stands for “anti-fascist,” that does not necessarily make them “good guys.” They sure as hell aren’t in any way the equals of our soldiers in World War 2, despite what you may have seen on social media.
  • Many of the “antifas” explicitly believe in communism, an ideology that killed even more people in the 20th century than fascism did (others in their ranks are anarchists).
  • Regardless of political ideology, those who would take the law into their own hands in the name of “punching Nazis” are lawless vigilantes.
  • So are people who would unilaterally act to tear down statues or deface monuments on public property.
  • Still, in the context of either the Charlottesville melee or American history more broadly: They’re bad, but not as bad as neo-Nazis, white supremacists and the KKK — and it’s not particularly close.
  • Also: They’re true extremists, and not the same as all or most liberals or Democrats.

If you find any of these points even mildly controversial, or have a hard time holding a press conference and being able to explain a position in harmony with all of this, you might need to take some more time to think things over.

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hasako
hasako

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JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

Another indicator of the lunacy and evil intent of the radical progs and MSM.....

Their own base does not agree with them.

A new NPR/PBS/Marist poll shows as to removing the Confederate statutes....

Only 27% nationally want them to go

40% of African Americans want them to go vs 44% stay

And a big disparity among the Dims with "Strong Dims" go at 57% while "Soft Dims" stay at 52%. 

So the radical progs we have here do not represent the sizable group for removal that they think.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us170814_PBS/NPR_PBS NewsHour_Marist Poll_National Nature of the Sample and Tables_August 17, 2017.pdf#page=3

Caius
Caius

Bannon out now. Also needs to shed Miller, Conway, Bossert and others who are loyal to an ideology or themselves and not to President Trump.

There have been more leaks in this WH in 6 months than in Bush an Obama combined in 16 years.

Kelly, Mattis, McMaster and Pompeo are basically one per reports.

One goes they all go.

Eye wonder
Eye wonder

@Caius

Why should anyone be loyal to Donald J. Trump when he is the most disloyal scumbag out there???

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@Eye wonder @Caius

Oh come on....

You can do better than that, can't you?

How about a threat to Trump?

Got one in you?

I'm sure the SS would ignore it and not visit you.

BTC
BTC

Pretty soon, Trump will have to fire himself, as he will be the only one left

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@SGTGrit

Imagine that.

First hand report substantiating Trump's statement there were good people on both sides.

Of course in the Prog mind anyone wanting to protect the culture, especially if white is an unacceptable person.

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

@JohnnyReb @SGTGrit


“The picture the media keeps using is of one person with a Nazi flag, there were more one thousand there who didn’t have Nazi flags,”


More than one thousand there? I thought it was just in the hundreds. And kid is clearly mis-informed if he thought the rally was for "preservationist". He is more guilty of ignorance and gullibleness than anything else.

JFMcNamara
JFMcNamara

Well, there is that video of them chanting "Death to Jews". I think that qualifies as a death threat.

There were no good people on the alt right side. The vice reporter confirmed it in an interview. They were all on the Nazi train. That's just a myth. If they weren't on the Nazi train, they probably would have left during the torch carrying racist speeches on Friday night.

SGTGrit
SGTGrit

@McGarnagle @JohnnyReb @SGTGrit 

The rally was supposed to be a protest of renaming the park and removing the statue of Robert E. Lee. However, lets say your assumption is correct there could have been many protesters who shared his innocent gullibility. Not so with the majority of counter protesters who were there for a confrontation. Otherwise why were they there?

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

Bannon out.

Stories unclear on fired or resigned.

Disappointing and will cost Trump some base support. 

SGTGrit
SGTGrit

@JohnnyReb 

Probably General Kelly was in someway involved. I don't see a problem so long as it was an amicable parting of the ways.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@McGarnagle @JohnnyReb

Of course, but my preference would have been the son-in-law and daughter sent packing back to NY before Bannon.

Supposedly Bannon's exit was decided between him and Kelly.

My concern is while Kelly is a great guy and so is McMaster, they may not be as conservative as Trump's base.

We know the son-in-law and daughter are not.

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

@SGTGrit @JohnnyReb


Amicable is what they say in public. But privately there was a falling out between Bannon and Trump. I think the NK situation also played a role.

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

@JohnnyReb @McGarnagle


Eventually Kelly and the Trump kids will bump heads. Interesting to see what Trump will do. 


Frankly, Trump can't keep his house in order.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@McGarnagle @JohnnyReb

Actually his house is in order in the perspective that matters, The Cabinet.

It is the advisers and support staff that continues to be the problem.

And, when you change one out he/she wants to bring in their people.

MarkVV
MarkVV

We have seen and heard the Nazi symbols carried by the rallying groups, heard thei Nazi and anti-Jewish slogans.

Now tell us, JohnnyReb and SGTGrit,  what symbols and slogans were used by the contra-demonstrators that make them equivalent to the above.

bu22
bu22

@MarkVV  Their chants about killing cops?  Sounds like you are the one trying to defend the "Alt-left."  They are all bad (not all the people in Charlottesville-only the extremists on both sides).  Which is worse, ISIS or Al-Queada?  What does it really matter?

SGTGrit
SGTGrit

@MarkVV 

Swinging baseball bats, throwing out obscene taunts, throwing urine filled bottles, spraying mace and tear gas canisters. They were also engaged in physical fights. No angelic innocence. 

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@MarkVV

It's not about a flag, placard, or sign.

And why do you think I or Grit would try to defend the neo's?

Recognizing there is fault on both sides does not mean supporting a side.

You people are really dense, apparently.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@SGTGrit @MarkVV I notice that you have failed to show what I asked.

Also, have you seen on TV the demonstrator  (not contra-) bragging about the arsenal of weapons he brought to Charlottesville?

SGTGrit
SGTGrit

@MarkVV 

BTW...it was reported that the counter protesters were allowed in without a permit carrying all of this gear by the police. The police share the blame.

SGTGrit
SGTGrit

@MarkVV @SGTGrit 

Failed to show what you asked...slogans don't harm people, symbols in the form of weapons do.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@bu22 @MarkVV It certainly matters. Again, the false moral equivalence.  Tell us, which of the neo-Nazis, white supremacists, KKK members, anti-Semites are "not bad?"

MarkVV
MarkVV

@JohnnyReb @MarkVV You are the one who is dense, and a moral weakling, if you equate those rallying for neo-Nazism, white supremacy, anti-Semitism with those opposing them.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@MarkVV @JohnnyReb

No one including me have equated the two sides body of work but instead only the incident.

Both are to blame for the incident.

But you and your side can't admit that.

Not doing so only displays your lunacy.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@SGTGrit @MarkVV You are disgusting, excusing people who spew their neo-Nazi hate in public. You should tell that to the descendants of the Jewish people in Germany, who heard those slogans before their parents were carted away to the camps.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@JohnnyReb @MarkVV Your posts only display your immorality. The incident started with one side rallying for hate. The other side came to oppose that.

stiffneck
stiffneck

@MarkVV The only equivalence is in the violence waged on both sides.  

SGTGrit
SGTGrit

@MarkVV @SGTGrit 

You sir are a bald faced liar. I've been clear all along in condemning the hate group protesters who were there.


MarkVV
MarkVV

@SGTGrit @MarkVV You were "condemning the hate group protesters" by arguing that "slogans don't harm people?" You are the liar here.

Billisnice
Billisnice

Just another fund raiser for the alt-left. Send us your money! The GOP does the same crap with different groups.

Eye wonder
Eye wonder

This post is proof that LibProgs can come out on top of ConCons and push them down. Heh.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

I'm posting this up top so it won't get lost.

You people (progs) are lost in the wilderness.

Of course the neo nut was at fault.

The point however is, it was not a nice spring day with birds chirping, flower smells in the air, etc.

It was a stand off between neo's and KKK against antifa with both arriving ready and intent to fight.

Placing one's self in that situation removes the innocence that was for example present at the shopping carts in Spain when a nut used a vehicle as a weapon.

Your refusal or inability to discern is a continuing sign of lunacy.

SGTGrit
SGTGrit

@JohnnyReb 

I'll take that a step further and say it's a sign of political radicalism.

Billisnice
Billisnice

In the future when monuments are gone the alt-left will be after your homes and places of work in the name we are better. 


Hate has not borders. 

otherview
otherview

Frequently don't agree with Kyle's conservatism but he hit the nail on the head.