Mike Pence: Donald Trump’s olive branch to conservatives … or not?

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence introduces Donald Trump at a rally in Westfield, Ind., July 12. (Aaron P. Bernstein / Getty Images)

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence introduces Donald Trump at a rally in Westfield, Ind., July 12. (Aaron P. Bernstein / Getty Images)

UPDATE at 2:47 p.m.: All may not be as it seemed regarding Donald Trump’s running mate. Both NBC News and the Washington Post have journalists reporting it’s not definite that Mike Pence will be the running mate. Is the Trump campaign just trying to preserve/manufacture some intrigue for tomorrow’s scheduled announcement, or could it truly be someone else? We’ll have to wait and see. In the meantime, I’ve edited the language below to make clear this is all still speculative at this point.

ORIGINAL POST: It is being reported widely that Donald Trump has picked Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his running mate. Other than (maybe) shoring up Trump’s standing in a traditionally red state that voted Democrat as recently as 2008, what would Pence bring to the presumptive ticket?

At one time, he would have been seen as a rock-solid conservative who could help reassure Trump doubters on the right. But his disastrous handling of Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act — signing it, then being embarrassingly unable to defend it, before ultimately rolling it back — has nullified a lot of that sentiment.

Pence’s past actions in Congress and statements during the early parts of this presidential campaign would seem to indicate an ideological balancing of the ticket. Examples:

Pence has spoken out in favor of NAFTA and Trade Promotion Authority for the president (at the time he spoke, George W. Bush was president):

And the Trans-Pacific Partnership:

And he spoke out against Trump’s proposed ban of Muslims entering the country:

All of which might explain why Pence didn’t endorse Trump before Indiana’s last-chance-for-Never-Trump-folks primary in May.

So, would a Pence selection signal that Trump was extending an olive branch to those Republicans who disagree with him? In a normal election year, that would be a reasonable interpretation of such a choice. But this isn’t a normal election year, so there’s another possibility. Trump instead could be choosing someone who, to fit on the ticket, would repudiate all that by swearing allegiance to Trump. It would be the sharpest display (so far) of conservative acquiescence to a man who doesn’t stand for many of the things conservatives stand for. And if the people mad about Pence’s RFRA back-track are correct, Pence is just the sort of man to do it.

Maybe that’s an overreach on my part, and Pence won’t be made to abandon all that he believed before today. But something tells me a man who joked about another man “dropp(ing) to his knees” to win his endorsement isn’t in the business of humility, or countenancing dissent.

ADDED at 2:17 p.m.: Whatever Trump’s reasoning would be for choosing Pence, he’s already alienated one super-fan:

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TheBrewer
TheBrewer

Kyle has written/posted a new article.


Mark, I'm free to post comments about Obozo.


Get over it.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@TheBrewer Don't worry. If Kyle does not deign to clean up his blog, I will go over his head.

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@MarkVV @TheBrewer


Go for it, Mark. I'll continue to post while you "go over Kyles head." I'm sure Kyle is worried about that. LOL. 



MarkVV
MarkVV

@TheBrewer @MarkVV And here is the appropriate part of the commenting policy:

New commenting policy

By Kyle Wingfield

September 12, 2014 

“When I started blogging, I allowed latitude for people writing about public figures (e.g., the president or the governor) or myself. That has devolved into a generally low standard for addressing other commenters, and so it won’t be allowed anymore.” 

You and xxxzzz can put it in your pipes and smoke it.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@TheBrewer @MarkVV And one other part of Kyle's rules:

  • "Punctuate an otherwise acceptable comment by calling someone else an “idiot” or a “moron,” or talking about their mama, or whatever, and your comment won’t be published."

    You have been clearly in violation, and I will remind Kyle of his promise.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@TheBrewer @MarkVV I am dealing with you and the filth you are spreading here. You can deal with lvg - you have the perfect authority to do that. LOL

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

President Obama also said in his statement of a few minutes ago that these killings of the police must stop in our nation.  The police, representatives of law in our nation, hold our nation together, said Obama.


I will write here that I believe that Black Lives Matter should exist and that that group has no correlation with the killings of policemen and women.  In America, people have the right to protest injustice and that means of protest should exist side by side with respect for police.


Once again, Martin Luther King, Jr., showed us all the way - nonviolent resistance to injustice, with the undergirding of God's spirit in his/our heart(s).

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Beautifully elevated words, just now, from President Obama regarding the latest killing of policemen in Baton Rouge.


Essence:  We must all watch our words, that they be not inflammatory in order to bring this country together.  That is the only way that we can find the grace to show the world what we stand for, a united nation, especially as we approach the upcoming political conventions.


TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@MaryElizabethSings


Oh Mary, if only everyone could be as stoned as you are. You totally ignore what a corrupt loser Hitlery is. You support losers like Moochelle None and Jason Carter. 


Lay off the drugs, Mary.

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

Obozo is a moron. 

Hillary is fat, ugly and corrupt.


Mark, I hope you read this because Kyle is not going to ban me for making fun of them.


Keep crying about it, though. It's fun to watch.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@TheBrewer I certainly hope that Kyle will indeed ban you, if he has any concern about the decency of this blog.  Insults is just about the only thing you are capable of.

bu22
bu22

@MarkVV @TheBrewer Politicians are free game.  You seem to have no purpose on here other than to attack Brewer which is clearly a violation of the rules of the site.  Obama should be made fun of.  Hillary should be made fun of.  Trump should be made fun of.  Americans should be made fun of for allowing the clueless Obama to become president and two clowns to become the candidates of the two major parties.  Maybe both will appoint good VPs and Trump will get elected, get bored and quit or Hillary will get elected, get indicted and quit.

lvg
lvg

@TheBrewer A "REAL  AMERICAN" DEMONSTRATES THE MENTAL CAPACITY OF THE STUPID  PARTY ONCE AGAIN.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@xxxzzz @MarkVV @TheBrewer There is a difference between "making fun of somebody" and the vulgar insults and attacks made here by TheBrewer. If you do not understand the difference, I can only  show my pity and contempt for you, for TheBrewer and the likes. 

The ball is in Kyle's court. The rule, part of several, that I have mentioned was stated by Kyle when the blog underwent a major change of the format, and for some time was accessible on the side. I do not know why it is not available now.


Incidentally, when you claim that I am doing something that is "a violation of the rules of the site," which rules are you citing from? Where do YOU see them?

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@MarkVV @xxxzzz @TheBrewer


Mark, are you going to ask Kyle to ban Ivg for calling Trump a pedophile? 

You DID say it's against blog rules to mock political leaders etc. 

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@MarkVV @TheBrewer


"I certainly hope that Kyle will indeed ban you"

Not gonna happen because there are no rules about mocking political leaders. We live in a America not North Korea. 


TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@xxxzzz @MarkVV @TheBrewer



xxxzzz, 


You're absolutely right. There are NO rules on Kyles blog about making fun of political leaders like Obozo and KKKlinton. 

What is really funny is that there are several left wingers who call Trump stupid yet Mark has not asked for those folks to be banned.

lvg
lvg

@TheBrewer @MarkVV @xxxzzz """"A federal lawsuit filed in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein.

The suit, first reported by the Real Deal, accuses Trump and Epstein of luring the anonymous plaintiff and other young women to four parties at Epstein's so-called Wexner Mansion at 9 East 71st Street. Epstein allegedly lured the plaintiff, identified in the suit only as Jane Doe, with promises of a modeling career and cash.

Another anonymous woman, identified in additional testimony as Tiffany Doe, corroborates Jane's allegations, testifying that she met Epstein at Port Authority, where he hired her to recruit other young girls for his parties. Trump had known Epstein for seven years in 1994 when he attended the parties at Wexner, according to the suit. He also allegedly knew that the plaintiff was 13 years old.""""

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/


lvg
lvg

The ability of the new invention of  radio broadcasts helped Hitler come to power.

lvg
lvg

@TheBrewer @lvgyeah I thank him every day for turning my grandparents and family into soap and ashes. Can't wait to have Fascist pedophile for president. Hope there are enough cattle cars for the Mexicans and Muslims once Trump gets elected. Of course he might have a special exemption fo the underage girls if they are hot.The Brewer might like that too.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

I see human consciousness starting to emerge like geese following the "consciousness" of one another in flight, and how the movement of birds takes a common destiny for them all, with various patterns and shapes in the sky.  Collective consciousness is here, via technology and mass communication. We will become one in either healing and growth or in destruction.

lvg
lvg

Real Americans would not have let these two dunces and neofascists get this far without Trump disclosing  his tax returns.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Read this book.  Donald Trump has 5 million twitter followers and he can speak lies, represented as truth to them, and being relatively uneducated, they will believe it.  This is the emerging world of social media that will reshape our planet.  Learn how and how to direct this phenomena for the common good.  This new mass communication age in the world's history is not going backwards.  We must understand it.  It can be a means to elevating worldwide consciousness, if used with morality not immorality.


https://www.amazon.com/Seventh-Sense-Fortune-Survival-Networks/dp/0316285064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468761320&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Seventh+Sense+by+Ramos 

bu22
bu22

@MaryElizabethSings Anyone who supports Hillary Clinton is a traitor to the American idea.  Democracy and freedom are at stake.  Gary Johnson anyone?

MarkVV
MarkVV

Kyle, here are two straightforward questions for you:

Is it, or is it not true, that you have introduced, at the time of the latest revision of your blog, a set of rules, which included not allowing insults and name calling of national figures, such as the President?

Do you plan to continue to allow offensive comments like the following from TheBrewer?:

“Seen Hitlerys logo? The preparation H one. It fits since she looks like a walking hemorrhoid. "

“I'd take Pence over a freak show such as Hillary KKKlinton.” 

lvg
lvg

@MarkVV LIL Barry a/k/a The Brewer is a Real American and exercising his First amendment right to display his creds as an ignorant  neofascist and  racist . Every comment is typical o f members of the Stupid Party.

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@MarkVV


You like to lie don't you, Mark. I see no rules ANYWHERE that state what you post.

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@MarkVV

"Is it, or is it not true, that you have introduced, at the time of the latest revision of your blog, a set of rules, which included not allowing insults and name calling of national figures, such as the President?'

Where are these rules? If so, Mary, IVG, you and everyone else has made fun of Trump and Pence are going to be banned.


MarkVV
MarkVV

@TheBrewer @MarkVV Those rules used to be accessible right on the blog. It is up to Kyle to make them accessible again.

And do not accuse me of lying, I have just about enough of your accusations.

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@lvg @MarkVV


"Every comment is typical o f members of the Stupid Party.'

Well, that sounds like a personal attack. I guess Kyle can decide. 

Finn-McCool
Finn-McCool

Trump and Pence?


OMG. Is it too late to re-consider Sara Palin??? She is looking like a Rhodes scholar now.

TheBrewer
TheBrewer


@Finn-McCool 


Yeah, right! I mean who doesn't want to vote for a criminal like Hitlery KKKlinton?

Bill OrvisWhite
Bill OrvisWhite

@TheBrewer @Finn-McCool ...and the liberals who dare to come onto this board will cry out that you're name-calling. Of course, they are wrong. You are simply being honest and properly labeling the character in question. In this case, this about a far-left wing progressive who wishes to flat-out take citizens' freedom away from them, pure and simple. Amen, Bill 

TheBrewer
TheBrewer

@lvg @TheBrewer @Finn-McCool


"Creds as a member of the Stupid Party a/ka Anarchy party on full display here."

Gotta love the hypocrisy of the left. Crying about the right making fun of their cult leader yet call people stupid.