Clinton, Sanders claim victory among apparently angry Democrats

He. Just. Won’t. Go. Away. (And neither will Cruz.)

One word kept coming to my mind as I watched Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders give their dueling victory speeches in Iowa last night. That word: angry.

Clinton didn’t manage more than a pursed-lip smile until her speech was nearly over. She looked practically indignant as she rattled off a list of policy priorities from universal health care to lowering student debt. The whole speech is below, but start watching around the 2:20 mark to see what I’m talking about:

After permitting himself some opening smiles and even laughs at the enthusiasm from his assembled supporters — who were a lot more raucous than Clinton’s backers at her speech — Sanders settled into much the same ranting tone that she used (starting around the 4:00 mark):

He shouted about billionaires. He shouted about super PACs. He even shouted, proudly, about how small his average campaign donations had been ($27). He waved off applause with his hands at times so that he could finish his shouting.

I don’t know if Clinton and Sanders seemed angry because they really are, or because they sense that’s what their supporters want to see. (I will say, I find nothing contrived about Sanders. Foolishly idealistic, yes. But contrived, no.) In any case, it was hard to watch these speeches, as I did again this morning, and not come away with the feeling Democrats are an angry bunch.

The conventional wisdom is that Republicans are the angry side, the group that wants to anger and scare you into voting for them. But anger was the overriding emotion flowing out of the only two Democrats in the running (officially so, now that Martin O’Malley has finally suspended his zombie campaign).

Angry candidates are never a good look for a party, and all the less so when that party has held the White House for the previous eight years. It’s hard to run on change when you’re trying to take the baton from a fellow party member, and it’s hard to run on continuity when anger is the emotion that seems most appealing to your constituents.

Maybe that poor pair of choices is what’s making Democrats so angry.

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lvg
lvg

Nice picture of Bernie getting angry Kyle. Better than that Cuban guy doing a conga dance and repeating lines like he is a human tape recorder. I thought that was the latin version ofthe Neocon two step leading up to the next war.

trusslady
trusslady

I remember a political party that repeatedly told us Deficits don’t matter.

·2 unfunded wars – Deficits don’t matter

·Bailout of the largest banks and Wall Street investment firms – Deficits don’t matter

·Tax breaks for the largest profitable corporations and wealthy 1% - Deficits don’t matter

But:

·Crumbling infrastructure – deficits matter

·Returning vets needing VA services – deficits matter

·Failing schools – deficits matter

·Social Security/Medicare – deficits matter

·Tax breaks to move middle class jobs out of the country, forcing millions into low wage service jobs that need to be supplemented with assistance – deficits matter.

And you wonder why we’re angry?

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

So tell us--do you think deficits matter? We've run the largest deficits in history the last seven years so that we can spend around $4 trillion every year--and it still isn't enough for you?

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

What is idealistic about socialism?

Ralph-45
Ralph-45

Angry?  Easy for frightened people to perceive passion, commitment, and a clear sense of right versus wrong as 'angry'.  Particularly when they know they are guilty of creating the mess and about to take a hit.

lvg
lvg

Amazing how no one in GOP but Trump is concerned about Cruz  being qualified  as  President . Of course Constitutional requirements, Federalist papers and Madison are not relevant according to Cruz supporters.


"""Donald Trump is actually right about something: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) is not a natural-born citizen and therefore is not eligible to be president or vice president of the United States.

The constitution  provides that “No person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President.” The concept of “natural born” comes from common law, and it is that law the Supreme Court has said we must turn to for the concept’s definition. . The 18th-century English jurist William Blackstone, the preeminent authority on it, declared natural-born citizens are “such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England,” while aliens are “such as are born out of it.” The key to this division is the assumption of allegiance to one’s country of birth. The Americans who drafted the Constitution adopted this principle for the United States.James Madison, known as the “father of the Constitution,” stated, “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. . . . [And] place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html



McGarnagle
McGarnagle

@lvg


Seems like this birther issue is not going away. Which I find hilarious. 

lvg
lvg

@McGarnagle @lvg With Cruz it is a constitutional issue.He is unqualified based on his Canadian birth certificate and dual citizenship. His father was not a US citizen.  I would not call that a birther issue. I suggest you read the constitutional experts opinions.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

At the 2:20 mark?

Hillary commences to telling Bernie, through her supporters, that she knows what Bernie claims she doesn't know.

The known unknowns.

Puts me in mind of Rumsfeld's notorious...

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

The last one could also apply to Bernie. I've often wondered if Bernie was a colicky baby.

schnirt

He's now presenting ultimatums to Hillary.

The campaign of Bernard Sanders said Tuesday that the Vermont senator will not participate in Thursday’s planned debate unless Hillary Clinton agrees to further debates.

Tad Devine, a Sanders campaign official, told The Hill on Tuesday that the sticking point is a debate in New York, the state which elected Mrs. Clinton to two U.S. Senate terms. The Sanders team wants a debate there, and Mrs. Clinton doesn’t, he said.

She won't take kindly to that.





agIII
agIII

Why does ObamaCare suck?

lvg
lvg

@agIII Unlike Reagancare it places responsibility on everyone to have some form of insurance because socialized medicine in hospital ERs with no funding source other than the  the  insured and the wealthy sucks.

Lil_Barry_Bailout
Lil_Barry_Bailout

Bernie's unelectable.  Democrats will trudge to the polls and do their duty, voting for the lying Arkansas trash and resigning themselves to four years of sleaze and incompetence.  Some will brainlessly be excited by the prospect of electing the first woman president (will a Nobel be in order?).

Maybe one day we'll elect competence.

But it won't be 2016.  Too many Democrats on the dole and greedily grasping for more.

Caius
Caius

@Lil_Barry_Bailout

"Maybe one day we'll elect competence.

But it won't be 2016."

I quite agree with this statement.  Neither party is remotely close to nominating anyone with an ounce of competence. This will be the year of the Great Pretenders.

Lil_Barry_Bailout
Lil_Barry_Bailout

The economy sucks, Obamacare sucks, foreign policy would suck if one actually existed.  No wonder Democrat politicians have to stir up anger among their sheeple voters--it keeps them from noticing that Democrat politicians caused all this.

wiccan
wiccan

Democrats are angry and so are Republicans. It's just that Republicans are angry at the wrong people.

Lil_Barry_Bailout
Lil_Barry_Bailout

@wiccan

Republicans are angry with criminals.  Hillary, Obama, Democrat voters ripping off various welfare/handout programs, and illegal aliens.

lvg
lvg

Hillary showed great finesse when she survived eleven hours of the Howdy Gowdy show without showing anger. But unfortunately I have to agree with Little Barry, Hillary has a reputation of being a total bit-h around security personnel and her "what difference does it make comment" will always haunt her.No question she was peeved last night about all the GOP manure thrown at her by the boys and Carly. Wouldn't you be piss-d off?

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@lvg If I had to guess, I'd say she's mostly angry at --once again -- being denied a coronation. The giveaway was her unpersuasive line about being glad to have a debate within the party. Yeah, right.

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

it’s hard to run on continuity when anger is the emotion that seems most appealing to your constituents.


Wow. Really. One night of emotional speeches compare to months and months of fed up, not going to take it anymore, take our country back rhetoric. Its clear which party owns anger.


Also Obama approval rating is at 45 which is decent compared with previous presidents. So taking baton isn't as bad.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@McGarnagle Considering the battles he has been through 45 percent is excellent.


Dubya was running in the 20's 8 years ago.

Lil_Barry_Bailout
Lil_Barry_Bailout

The thought of either Gammy or Crazy Bernie in our White House makes Real Americans sick.

MarkVV
MarkVV

Bernie Sanders sounds and most likely is indeed angry, and rightfully. But to claim the same for Hillary Clinton is ridiculous, and even more ridiculous would be to compare the little anger she expresses with the angry rhetoric of most of the Republican candidates.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@MarkVV Hillary has had a great life full of accomplishments. She has a great daughter and expecting her second grandchild


The Presidency would just be the cherry on top of a life well lived. And give her one more chance to change the world for the better


What does she have to be angry about ?

Lil_Barry_Bailout
Lil_Barry_Bailout

She's taken full advantage. But yes, like Obama and the bulk of the Democrat party an Anerica hater.

Lil_Barry_Bailout
Lil_Barry_Bailout

@MarkVV

Hillary does seem to be better at concealing her anger and hate.  Her Secret Service people and military people during the Slick admin saw it.

Lil_Barry_Bailout
Lil_Barry_Bailout

She would have been what she is now--an America-hating wing nut--but without the platform her husband gave her.

ATLAquarius
ATLAquarius


Kyle

Watching the caucusing in Iowa on MSNBC was simply scary, especially the young Bernie Sanders supporters trying to convince the uncommitted. You have to admit that the amount of giveaways those young supporters thought Sanders would get them would make President Obama blush. Hillary is not that great of a campaigner and is fortunate that she doesn't have any better competition this time as her ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is astonishing. One could also argue that anger is driving both sides this time around....I've heard nothing from either side that even begins to address the complex issues surrounding the country.


Eye wonder
Eye wonder

ROFL.


1992 Iowa D caucus - Clinton, William Jefferson, finished in 3rd place. Winner was Tom Harkin. Tom who? Yeah, exactly.


1992 New Hampshire D primary - Clinton, William Jefferson, finished in 2nd place. Winner was Paul Tsongas. Paul who? Yeah, maybe not quite a Harkin, but still.


1992 Maine caucus - Clinton, William Jefferson, finished in 4th place.  Winner was Jerry Brown? Jerry who? Yeah, the Californian.


I'm sure Mrs. Clinton is downright petrified.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Eye wonder Hahahahahahahaha. You're actually comparing Bill Clinton's start as a newcomer in 1992 to Hillary's start as a second-time "inevitable" candidate?

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@WhyorWhyNot Which is what made it a comparison, right? And a bad one, for the reason I outlined.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Eye wonder It wasn't a comparison, but your point hinges entirely on comparing the present situation to a past one?

OK.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

Democrats will have little problem rallying around the nominee


Especially when facing a Trump Presidency should they remain at home.

lvg
lvg

Hillary got booed last night when she said she was a progressive- that says a lot.Hillary is angry because she once again got a butt whooping in Iowa. Anyone watching Cruz and Rubio's speeches should have been angry. You would think it was 2008 with the country falling off the cliff again.