The next classified email released from Hillary’s trove will be the 1,000th

You can just see her thinking: "None ... 999 ... at this point, what difference does it make?" (Doug Mills / The New York Times)

You can practically see her thinking: “None … 999 … at this point, what difference does it make?” (Doug Mills / The New York Times)

The latest State Department release of emails Hillary Clinton turned over from her private server includes some 7,800 emails and brings the total number deemed classified to a rather auspicious number. From ABC News:

“A State Department official tells ABC News that in this release alone 328 documents were upgraded to a classified level, meaning that they were redacted and are unavailable for public review. So far 999 have been graded as classified.

Emphasis added. Long gone are the days when Clinton could stand before reporters and claim there was no classified information on her private, unsecured email server. In all likelihood, the next release of emails will push the number of messages with classified info over the 1,000 mark. Think about that: She said there were no such messages, and at the current rate the number would end up at more than 1,500. That’s an astounding degree of difference from what Clinton repeatedly told the public as this story first emerged. It is a display of brazen dishonesty that is unmatched in this election campaign by any other candidate in either major party.

It’s also laughably improbable that none of those hundreds and hundreds of emails contained information that was obviously classified at the time she saw them. While over-classification of information may be an endemic problem in the U.S. government, it’s almost certain that at least some of the information was “born classified” and it was Clinton’s responsibility to a) know that and b) safeguard the information appropriately. It doesn’t really matter which of those responsibilities she failed to fulfill. Either was an enormous mistake.

One more time, these are the questions to keep in mind when deciding whether this is a “real” issue:

  1. Was classified information on her personal, private server? (Answer: Yes.)
  2. Was her personal, private server protected appropriately? (Answer: No.)
  3. Do these facts raise questions about her judgment? (Answer: In my view, and that of voters surveyed by opinion pollsters, yes.)
  4. Has she given a sufficient answer for handling things this way? (Answer: No, because her answers keep changing as they’re undermined by the facts.)
  5. Is she hiding something? (Answer: TBD.)

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LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

Will Hillary's corruption, dishonesty, and incompetence have any effect on the free stuff?

If not, then it doesn't make any difference to Democrats.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LilBarryBailout Will Hillary's corruption, dishonesty, and incompetence have any effect on the free stuff?


Most likely not. www.freestuff.gov doesnt run on one of her servers anyway.


And that is where I and Id imagine most Democrats get their free stuff.

lvg
lvg

@LilBarryBailout @Hedley_Lammar Who passed Medicare Part D to get reelected? Who passed the ADA and all the benefits for  anyone claiming to be medically handicapped based on a doctor's note?

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

The same questions could also be asked of Brian Kemp. In that case, though, over SIX MILLION bits of important information is/was out there for the picking.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

@Wascatlady

OPM breach? My husband and I have been notified our personal info was compromised.

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

I'm ready for Hillary. I'm ready for tax and spend and keeping America great. I like Bernie but this is so obvious. And it doesn't matter if the Republicans attack her. They do that to every Democrat President.

HeyThere
HeyThere

Serious question: Why are the emails being released in small batches like this? That gives the impression it's being done to purposefully maximize media coverage. You'd think they would just release them all at once. Not saying I think that's the case, just don't understand.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@HeyThere The State Dept is under a court order to release them, and I think the order requires State to release them as it can rather than waiting until it's ready to release all of them.

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

Question: what's the difference between what she did and Colin Powell? Answer: nothing. Jeb did it and so did Willard.

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

But Kyle even if Jeb and Mitt didn't have classified info, it's still wrong according to your questionnaire.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @Hedley_Lammar @JeffreyEav What about Bush using private servers as President. Rove, Cheney etc. 


As I mentioned earlier there are serious questions here about how top officials should treat this information in a new digital age. The world has changed dramatically in the last 20 years in that regards.


But that isn't the discussion we are having. The discussion we are having is Hillary is guilty. Of exactly what we aren't sure but dammit she did something. 


The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost.[2][3] Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove emails, leading to damaging allegations.[4] In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been lost.[5]

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @Hedley_Lammar Are you suggesting he didn't set rules fit for the digital age?


Yes. Quite possibly. I mean cmon as far as I know the guy still uses a blackberry. 


You might rememebr the healthcare.gov rollout wasnt too smooth either. 

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

Powell admitted using a personal laptop in his biography. The paper today tells me a V-tech toy can be hacked. Same difference to me (a computer idiot) or to any decent hacker. No harm. No foul.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@JeffreyEav "But Kyle even if Jeb and Mitt didn't have classified info, it's still wrong according to your questionnaire"

Um, question 1: "Was classified information on her personal, private server?"

The other questions flow from that one.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @JeffreyEav Classified by who ? Another agency ? Was it original or derivative. 


“This whole thing reveals more about our classification system and how poorly it works than anything,” Goitein said. The classification system leans toward secrecy when “most information that’s classified shouldn’t be, and can be safely released. If you’re alive in this world and don’t know the CIA is conducting drone strikes in Pakistan, Clinton’s emails are not going to wake you.”


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/11/3700451/demystifying-classified-material/


Ill say again in all seriousness that this IS a problem. Its an important discussion to have. But all the focus is on damaging Hillary instead of fixing a system that obviously no longer works. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar You left out the citation, maybe because it would let everyone know you were quoting a 2.5-month-old article in Think Progress quoting someone who works at a left-leaning think tank. I, for one, am just shocked -- shocked! -- to learn such an article would pooh-pooh Hillary's email problems!

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @Hedley_Lammar Sarcasm noted but you aren't foolish enough to not understand there is a problem with the whole system. 


This is NOT a Hillary centric problem and you know it.


And I did cite the article. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar "Of exactly what we aren't sure but dammit she did something. "

For starters, she violated the classification rules set by President Obama. Are you suggesting he didn't set rules fit for the digital age?

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar @JeffreyEav Actually, there's no evidence that Powell used personal email exclusively, hosted it on his own unsecured server, or sent/received classified info over it. So, there's a lot of difference, actually.

And let's not pretend Jeb or Mitt were dealing with classified info on their personal email accounts as governors.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar "And I did cite the article."

Weird, it shows up here but not in the back-end software. I stand corrected.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

The fawning over Clinton’s black, thick-framed eyeglasses was tucked away in nearly 8,000 emails the State Department released Monday from Clinton's personal email server that dogged her presidential bid earlier this year.


"Unanimous approval of the glasses," Sid Blumenthal, a Clinton confidante whose memos on Libya were a chief focus of her recent testimony before the House Select Committee on Benghazi, wrote in an email to Clinton the day of the first Benghazi hearing in 2013. "Jackie says, always wear the glasses. Looks terrific."


Make no mistake. This is the REAL reason why Republicans want to dig into her emails. There are no national security concerns here.


She is running for President and they would love to find anything to use against her in 2016. Something referencing a certain blue dress would be the holy grail. 


They love this kind of stuff. 

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

Is she hiding something? (Answer: TBD.)


Isn't this wishful thinking? In line with Obama birth certificate. In line with Bill impeachment. Instead of hoping she will go away, why not deal with her candidacy. You would think if there was a smoking gun, it would have shown itself by now. 



Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@McGarnagle "Instead of hoping she will go away, why not deal with her candidacy."

You act as if these are mutually exclusive options. I have previously written that the GOP can't rely only on this issue ... but I'm not going to ignore that there are almost 1,000 emails that she didn't want to release which have information she said didn't exist. Oh, and as for the "it would have shown itself by now" part: One-third of the emails have yet to be released. Maybe they'll show something, maybe not -- that's why I wrote "TBD" instead of "there's definitely something there!" But in any event her lack of honesty on the issue of classified info and how she handled it, which still includes the lack of security for the server where the info was stored, remain serious problems from her time as SoS.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

999 graded as classified?

Perhaps Hillary couldn't see 'cause of those really cool glasses she wears. Maybe they're the reason she couldn't see the terrorists coming for our diplomatic compound in Benghazi too.

schnirt

The fawning over Clinton’s black, thick-framed eyeglasses was tucked away in nearly 8,000 emails the State Department released Monday from Clinton's personal email server that dogged her presidential bid earlier this year.

"Unanimous approval of the glasses," Sid Blumenthal, a Clinton confidante whose memos on Libya were a chief focus of her recent testimony before the House Select Committee on Benghazi, wrote in an email to Clinton the day of the first Benghazi hearing in 2013. "Jackie says, always wear the glasses. Looks terrific."

http://mashable.com/2015/11/30/hillary-clinton-emails-glasses/#ese_gXgNdGqU

And dems dare to call GOP voters shallow?

Here's lookin' at YOU dems! 

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

@FIGMO2 "... 328 documents were upgraded to a classified level,..."

Do you understand the world "upgraded"? Does that mean they were sent without being labeled "classified"?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @RoadScholar My understanding is the classification " classified " is wildly overused.


Its easier to just make EVERYTHING classified than actually reading it and determining whether it should be or not. 


I'm not saying all 999 fit that bill but I'd bet many do. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar "My understanding is the classification " classified " is wildly overused."

Oh, I TOTALLY forgot all about the loophole in the law for "wildly overused classification." </sarc>

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

Is she hiding something?


A: Even if she isnt folks on the right will assume she was. Ala Benghazi etc etc. 


What we should be having here is a grown up discussion about these processes and how classified information should be handled in a new digital world. Instead what we are having is a political game looking around her emails for something potentially embarrassing or harmful to her campaign in 2016.


Ask yourself this. If Hillary weren't running for President would so many be concerned about her use of private email servers ? As previous SOS have done before her ? 


The answer of course is No. And that tells you all you need to know about this topic. If you are being honest that is. 


One last thing. If Republicans feel that the most important issue to voters in 2016 will be which server Hillary's emails routed through, then by all means proceed. It aint gonna work. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar "If Republicans feel that the most important issue to voters in 2016 will be which server Hillary's emails routed through, then by all means proceed. It aint gonna work. "

I've written as much before. But please, go on thinking the only alternative to that is that the issue doesn't matter at all. It does, as every poll shows.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @Hedley_Lammar The only poll that will matter is next November. And when voters are in that booth I doubt Hillary's emails will be on their mind. If they are they are a rabid Fox News type that wasn't voting for Hillary anyway. 



Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar "I doubt Hillary's emails will be on their mind."

Whether they think they can trust her, however, will probably be on their minds. Unless they're a rabid MSNBC type ...

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @Hedley_Lammar Whether they think they can trust her, however, will probably be on their minds.


Sure. As will be just how crazy would I have to be to vote for Trump. Who Kyle i'm afraid maybe be getting the nomination. 


The stupid xenophobic misogynistic crazy stuff he is saying  is actually helping him. Such is the sad state of the today's GOP.


Party of Lincoln no more i'm afraid. 


I figured when the stupid stuff started coming out of his mouth that would hurt him. It hasn't AT ALL

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @Hedley_Lammar Very true. If its not Trump its gonna be Cruz I think. I'm not sure that is much of an improvement. 


Either way the right doesn't seem to want another Romney ( Bush ) who actually could win the general election this time around. 

Caius
Caius

Couple of thoughts:

"It’s also laughably improbable that none of those hundreds and hundreds of emails contained information that was obviously classified at the time she saw them."

Key words "improbable" and "obviously".  My understanding is that prior to this batch she is in the clear.



" So far 999 have been graded as classified."

Who is deciding that now, after 4 to 7 years have passed, that some material is classified and not for public view?  Why was it not classified the day it was created? As "W" would ask "Who is the decider?" 

If Republicans are banking on Benghazi and e-mails to win this election, put your money on the Democrat.





Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Caius "Who is deciding that now, after 4 to 7 years have passed, that some material is classified and not for public view?  Why was it not classified the day it was created?"

This is why I said it is laughably improbable that she didn't have obviously classified information in her emails at the time she saw them. Information doesn't become more secret over time. If it's worthy of being classified now, it was worthy then, and it's the job of the person handling the information to know that. As I wrote in the OP, she either failed at that job or mishandled the information.

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

Have Republicans overplayed the email issue to death?  Of course! There isn't much else to criticize Hillary about since she is just like most Republicans anyway. The only thing they can grasp is "email! email!" in the wake of "Benghazi! Benghazi!" And then of course try to push "Not Trustworthy! Not Trustworthy!" when not a single Republican candidate can be called Trustworthy either. (And trying to edit any part of the stuff I just wrote results in weird text box things that move around instead of putting the cursor where I click the mouse.  And trying to click "return" puts the cursor at the top of my response. . . Hope IT can fix that.))

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

Weak, sad that you find this a sticking point. It ain't.