News flash: Hispanics can tell difference between Trump, rest of GOP

(Luke Sharrett / Bloomberg)

A funny thing’s happening on the way to watching Donald Trump lay waste to the Republican Party with his rhetoric about immigration: Voters aren’t buying the idea Trump speaks for all Republicans. Check out this new poll from Gallup, which the organization summarizes as “Hispanics frown on Trump, but not rest of GOP field”:

Gallup Hispanic Trump GOP poll Aug 2015

That doesn’t look like a party that is being swallowed by Donald Trump. It looks like a party that has a number of candidates who could be competitive for Hispanic votes … plus Trump.

That’s not to say the eventual nominee won’t be weighed down by Trump. For starters, the nominee could be Trump. (I still highly doubt it, but it’s getting harder to say it’s impossible.) The nominee could also be someone who takes the lead from Trump and strikes a deal to win his support or neutrality — think Ted Cruz — and thus takes on a lot of Trump’s negative image with Hispanic voters. There’s also the chance that a nominee who hasn’t made his/her peace with Trump may face him again as an independent candidate in the general election.

And, of course, Democrats will make every effort to paint Trump as part and parcel of the GOP, the natural result of the rhetoric and actions of lots of Republicans, and thus to tarnish the eventual nominee as practically an alter ego of The Donald himself. In fact, we are already seeing such arguments coming from our friends on the left. This Gallup poll suggests, at least so far, Hispanic voters aren’t falling for it.

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Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Don't think the rest of them have impressed Latino voters at all!

lvg
lvg

Left out in Gallup and Kyles' discussion is fact that GOP and Congress will not pass immigration reform because their biases will be out in the open for view:

-Good immigrants are Asians who take high tech jobs at low wages with B-1 visas ; lots come in every day right here in Atlanta;

-Good anchor babies are ones born to citizenship shoppers with money to fly in, pay good money for American birth;

- Good refugees are ones fleeing communist countries like Cuba that can never be illegals;

- People who are radical Muslims are okay too from Russia (Tsarnaevs) and Saudis who got "express Visas before 9-11 from travel agents;

- Asylum seekers from Central America are okay too since W gave them due process rights and asyylum if they mouth the words rape, gangs or human trafficking;



Ask Isacson or Purdue how their immigration legislation is coming since they are vested with that Constitutional responsibility. Then we can get an intelligent article by Kyle about how GOP's immigration plans are viewed by Hispanics and others.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@lvg The article isn't about Congress, but about the GOP candidates for president. So you are complaining about something I wasn't writing about.

lvg
lvg

@Kyle_Wingfield @lvg -didn't know GOP is compartmentalized where Congress is divorced from presidential elections as a platform for each parties views.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@lvg Well, if Congress is so bad on these issues and presidential candidates should pay a price as a result, you would expect to see that show up in a poll like this, no? And yet it doesn't. So maybe your premise is wrong.

bu2
bu2

@lvg 

What about Obama when he had 60 votes in the Senate and a huge majority in the House?  No chance of veto.  No chance of filibuster.  Nothing happened.  So why are you talking about Republicans who have a President who threatens to veto everything and a Democratic Senate minority that threatens to filibuster constantly?

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

Never underestimate the intelligence of Latinos. They are a proud and patient people looking for opportunity rather than waiting for it to be delivered. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

Id love to see this poll question.


Do you believe you would be better served by a generic Democratic President or a generic Republican one with regards to immigration reform ?


I'm betting the generic Democratic candidate would win in a landslide


And when Hispanics close the curtain to vote that issue is going to be front and center. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar You will say this for the next several weeks, months, however long, and yet you won't have any proof for it.

bu2
bu2

@Hedley_Lammar 


I'd bet the economy will be the front and center issue.

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

@Hedley_Lammar Ask that of non Hispanic Americans!  With 71% of Hispanics with children on some form of public assistance, I think the non Hispanic population would have a different answer.  If you value America, sometimes you have to do what is right for the country, instead of pandering to every groups wishes.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

I'll grant that the Gallup poll conveys some useful information supporting the headline assertion.

I do think it is interesting that this polling data wasn't worthy of note, however. (Bernie's not doing so well in it, however, Gallup has his recognition among this demographic at only 25%, so there's obviously a lot of room for improvement.)

http://tinyurl.com/pqpfsrv

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

@Visual_Cortex 

That Martin O'Malley must be one tough sumbitch on immigration.

Either that or the poll isn't telling you what you think it's telling you.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Hedley_Lammar "Which basically blows Kyle's entire premise out of the water."

In what way?

Why don't you start by restating my premise, and we'll start with how much you have to twist that to make your point.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@LilBarryBailout @Visual_Cortex

Actually those who know O'Malley likely harbor some less than favorable sentiments based on his police-state approach to managing Baltimore as mayor. Nothing to do with immigration, I don't think.

DeborahinAthens
DeborahinAthens

Jeb Bush, like his brother, has been bought and paid for. He will be the nominee, because the Republican Power Rangers will make it so. When the Power Rangers pushed GW Bush into the Presidency over John McCain, and used the Supreme Court to steal the Presidency from Al Gore,knowing Dubya was a crook a cheat and a liar, I decided I could no longer be a Republican. They, more than any factor, brought this country to its knees. Then, not having learned a lesson, they pushed Romney. Thank God, the American people wised up. The Hispanics are not stupid. Just because Jeb can speak fluent Spanish, it doesn't mean that he will not fulfill the Republican Agenda--shrink taxes until they can "drown the government in a bathtub" as Grover Norquist wishes. Do you Republicans EVER wonder why a non -elected person like Norquist wields such power?

bu2
bu2

@DeborahinAthens 

Wow.  Sounds like anger issues.


W. and Jeb were both raised by Barbara Bush.  So crook, cheat and liar applies to just about any politician before them.  It was Al Gore who tried to steal the presidency by selective recounting, just like Hillary tried to steal the nomination from Obama by changing the rules in Florida after the election was over.


W. got about 40% of the Hispanic vote in Texas as governor, far more than most Republicans get.  If Jeb gets the nomination, they will recognize a man of integrity.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

I get SOOOO tired of all this racial divisive nonsense. It's time for America to be about Americans and thus the GOP to be about Americans (period); we are all presumed equal in the eyes of the law under our Constitution. Let the Democrats be the Party of Divide and Denigrade and Destroy, let's be the Party of Principle and Walking the Walk, Constitutionally speaking. 


This country and the GOP DESPERATELY need a true statesman leader, not a bought-and-paid-for political hack engulfed in a cesspool of corruption. Trump, in his peculiar way, is talking the talk, at least for now, and what he brings to the table is pretty much common knowledge. Whether or not he emerges as a true statesman remains to be seen.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@DawgDadII Whether or not he emerges as a true statesman remains to be seen.


You have got to be kidding.


In a 1991 Esquire interview, he said: “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of [expletive].”


Does that sound like a statesman to you ?


It would be helpful too if you dropped the "dawg" from your handle. You are giving the rest of us a black eye. 

Claver
Claver

@DawgDadII You had me until you claimed that Trump is not divisive.

Dusty2
Dusty2

Of course Hispanics can tell the difference between Trump,  rest of GOP.


Are we to assume that Hispanics don't read, listen or see what is going on these days?  Maybe not the illegal ones who are busy trying to stay here but the rest surely know what is going on in America.  I think they will keep on liking Jeb  Bush because they are usually centered on family & faith.  So is he. 


Amnericans who haven't gotten over the Dem imposed propaganda on the Bush family will  have a hard time adjusting their opinions.  I hope they come to a  realization  in time before Trump scares the country so badly they vote for Hillary.  Best set your goal on the ethical and the experienced one in government and that is definitely Jeb Bush.  .   

Claver
Claver

@Dusty2 Jeb has the potential to hold on to Hispanic voters, but Trump has put him in a spot.  Now he apparently feels at let some pressure to use a bit more rhetoric that could alienate Hispanics, like "anchor baby."  (He has tried walking that back now, but probably alienated some Asians in the process).  Jeb is going to have to walk the tight rope.

DS
DS

"Hispanics can tell the difference between Trump, rest of GOP"

That's not what the Gallup poll and report say: "At this point in the campaign, less than half have formed an opinion of any Republican candidate except Donald Trump and Jeb Bush. Partly because of this, Hispanics' views of most GOP candidates range from mildly positive to mildly negative."

It isn't that they can tell the difference, they just don't know the other candidates very well yet.

Meanwhile, some GOP candidates seem to be tempted to move their policy position on immigration closer to Trump. (Some have been making statements like that already.) Where will they be as Hispanic voters become more familiar with them? We'll see.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@DS The point is that they're not letting their opinions of Trump color their opinions of other candidates ... if they have formed an opinion about him but not the others, that supports my point.

Of course, it is only those who want Hispanics to view all the Republicans similarly who would've expected/hoped otherwise ...

RonMexico
RonMexico

Yeah, Kyle. Democrats and "the left" are trying to paint the GOP as an anti-immigrant bunch of xenophobes. It's got nothing to do with the anti-immigrant, xenophobic nonsense that all the Republican candidates have been spewing for 30 years. Poor, poor victimized Republicans...it's not fair to use their own words against them, right? 

If it's truly the case that this is just them durn libruls trying to smear a bunch of good ol' boy Christian GOP candidates, why is it that the other GOP candidates have been racing to the right as fast as they can, so they can say they're just as tough on immigration as The Donald is? I don't recall any conversations about repealing the 14th Amendment before he came on the scene, yet all of a sudden the other occupants of the clown car are rushing to say, "Oooh, ooh, me too!"

Let's see: so far there's Lindsey Graham, Scott Walker (who later changed his mind after changing his mind and retracted his support/nonsupport for repeal), Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul and Chris Christie. And that's just the ones supporting repeal this week. Wait until Trump makes his next ridiculous declaration...it'll be more of the same copycat racism from the GOP candidates, none of whom have had an original thought in decades.

I swear, either you're delusional, in denial or just not paying attention. There's no way any reasonable person could truly believe that Trump is the only crazy, anti-immigrant loon running for the GOP nomination. He's just the brashest and most willing to openly declare himself a racist xenophobe...the rest tiptoe around it and use dog-whistle language to indicate to the base (you know, the New Confederacy) that they're still on their side.

Nobody's fooled, Kyle (except you, apparently). The GOP created the monster that is Donald Trump by failing to reign in the Tealiban, who now control the party message and candidate selection. Have fun. 

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

@RonMexico  You may think you're being cute but using terms like "Tealiban" are offensive and derogatory. I encourage you to ATTEND a Tea Party meeting to meet the folks and see for yourself how ridiculous you are and how harmful your rhetoric is in polluting our political discourse.

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

@RonMexico:  "Democrats and 'the left' are trying to paint the GOP as an anti-immigrant bunch of xenophobes. It's got nothing to do with the anti-immigrant, xenophobic nonsense that all the Republican candidates have been spewing for 30 years."

----

Isn't it funny when someone can't remember what they've said from one sentence to the next?  Heckuva job not trying to paint all the Republican candidates!

And heckuva job remaining ignorant of the candidates' actual positions on immigration.

Stuffy
Stuffy

Donald Trump's biggest crime is that he espouses Republican values without using the requisite code words.

MarkVV
MarkVV

The funny thing is how this column concentrates on whether  the poll results agree with what “the leftists” say about Donald Trump, the Republican party and Hispanics, rather than on how the results show a negative opinion of the Hispanics about most Republican candidates, and a close to neutral about the rest with one or two exceptions. All that in spite of the Republican claims that the Hispanics agree with the Republican party goals.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

How can they tell the difference?  We all look the same!  And besides, "none of them learn to speak English" so how would they know who is best?

lvg
lvg

Left out of Kyle's analysis- Cubans like Mr. Cruz's father  have most favored immigrant status even if they illegally float ashore. They will always vote Republican especially with Obama normalizing relations withte Cuban Devil. Bush is from Florida- figure out the demographics and you will see why he he has high ratings among Hispanics. Immigration is becoming a bigger problem for all Western countries every day. Without any excuse for the do nothing Congress and with a fascist in waitng on the GOP side  screaming deportation and repeal of the Fourteentrh Amendment, most people can figure out which party created this mess and is making it a bigger headache daily..

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

The right is smearing Hillary with email;


Captain, I believe you misspoke on that.  Hillary created her own problems and it is the FBI and the DOJ that are pursuing her possible violation of government policy on record keeping requirements, and possibly crimes for mishandling classified information.  I don't see any involvement of the right in this kerfuffle other than forcing the information out during Congressional investigations. 

straker
straker

Captain - "we have brought this on ourselves"


FINALLY

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

Well, they aren't too knowledgeable about the rest of the candidates obviously, Fiorina, Jindal, and Carson have strong views on illegal immigration, but are rated positively.  Their position is similar to Trump's except for the deport all illegals proposal, which is impossible at this point, due to the intensity of the invasion since 1987.   They did get the top two right, the two that are weakest on enforcement, and put them at the top. 

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

Hope vs  experience..... may want to buy a lotto ticket too.

332-206
332-206

6 out of 17 more favorable than unfavorable. Hard to see that as Party friendly.

Wonder if Gallup polled for Democrat candidates.

The news would be if Gallup didn't see a need.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@332-206 The point is that there's a range of responses. Hispanic voters -- like others -- are viewing the candidates as individuals, contrary to the emerging (and frankly insulting) narrative that Hispanics will decide en masse that Donald Trump represents all Republicans.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@332-206 "has a 2-1 lead"

He's at ~25%, so another way of putting it is that Republicans prefer someone else by a 3-1 margin. But that doesn't help you bash Republicans, does it?

332-206
332-206

What's insulting is that the Republican candidate Hispanic voters overwhelming reject has a 2-1 lead in a 17 person field.

332-206
332-206

Lord help. Any Party enamored for months by a Donald Trump needs no help from me on that score.

This country desperately needs a strong n-a-t-i-o-n-a-l Republican Party that can effectively shape policy and govern for the benefit of all Americans. If that is what you see the Party accomplishing in Washington and all across this country, that's remarkable. I would absolutely love to see that happen. I don't see that. On a range of isuues, from abortion, to gay marriage, to immigration, to gun violence, to economic fairness, I see a country moving in a clear direction, and a Republican Party in opposition, on each issue.

Judging by national polling and the popular vote of the last several Presidential elections, I don't believe I'm alone in that view.

HDB0329
HDB0329

Trump's saying in public what most Republicans say behind closed doors.....but are afraid to admit it........

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@RafeHollister I too was wondering how many Republicans HDB speaks to behind closed doors, considering all his past comments about Republicans never coming to his neighborhood ...

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@RafeHollister @HDB0329 He is leading the polls. In some cases by double digit points. 


Based on that issue alone ( Immigration )


Ignore that if you wish but it says something. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@RafeHollister @HDB0329 Trump's saying in public what most Republicans say behind closed doors.....but are afraid to admit it........


He isn't polling where he is because people like his hair. 


Id take it a step further. Do any of you honestly believe a democratic candidate would have survived Trump's misogynistic comments ?


On the GOP side they haven't hurt him a bit. In fact it may have helped.