Second Planned Parenthood video: ‘I don’t want to low-ball’ UPDATED

(Screen grab from video by the Center for Medical Progress)

When a video was released last week depicting a top Planned Parenthood official discussing compensation for organs from aborted babies, and techniques for keeping the organs intact, the organization behind the video promised more was on the way. This week, the Center for Medical Progress released a second undercover video that, on the topic of money for tissue, leaves little to the imagination.

(NOTE: I’ve updated the post by posting the full-length video at the end.)

(Screen grab from video by the Center for Medical Progress)

(Screen grab from video by the Center for Medical Progress)

This second video — of a Feb. 6 lunch discussion between actors and Dr. Mary Gatter, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Medical Directors’ Council, along with one other unnamed person who, I infer, is also affiliated with Planned Parenthood — shows a back-and-forth between the two parties about compensation. In the conversation, Gatter sounds mostly interested in making sure she’s not getting ripped off, rather than linking the price to any cost the clinic might have incurred.

In fact, at one point in the conversation she states flatly that in her past experience at a Planned Parenthood clinic working with a bioinformatics company called Novogenix, there was virtually no work involved for the clinic:

“(T)he mechanics of it was that Heather, a Novogenix person, would come to the site, and our staff would sign the patients up and get consent. And then Heather would look at the tissue and take what she required. So it was logistically very easy for us, we didn’t do anything. So there was compensation for this. And there was a discussion as I was leaving, they have been doing it by the case, and there was some discussion about doing it in a different way, or — I don’t know what you’re used to doing, how you’re used to doing compensation. Patients don’t get anything, of course …”

About eight minutes later, according to a clock visible on the screen through most of the video, Gatter and one of the actors have an extended exchange about compensation that includes an apparently obligatory reference by Gatter to “not (being) in it for the money” but is otherwise divorced from the concept of reimbursing the clinic solely for costs incurred — and seems very much in the realm of “valuable consideration” for the tissue, which is prohibited by law.

 

BUYER: “OK. So I’d like — what would you expect for intact tissue, what sort of compensation, what sort of –“

GATTER: “Well, why don’t you start by telling me what you’re used to paying.” (rolls her eyes and glances over at the unnamed woman, with a smile)

BUYER: “OK, I don’t think so. I’d like to hear — I would like to know, what would make you happy. What would work for you.

GATTER (after sitting silently a couple of seconds and looking over at the unnamed woman): “Well, you know, in negotiations the person who throws out the figure first is at a loss, right? So (laughs).”

BUYER: “No. I don’t look at it that way. I know, you want to play that game, I get it.”

GATTER: “I don’t want to play games. I just don’t want to low-ball, because I’m used to low things from –“

BUYER: “You know what? If you low-ball, I’ll act pleasantly surprised and you’ll know it’s a low-ball.”

GATTER: “OK.”

BUYER: “What I want to know is what would, what would work for you. Don’t low-ball it, tell me what you really –“

GATTER: “OK. Seventy-five dollars a specimen.”

BUYER: “Oh, that’s way too low.”

GATTER: “OK.”

BUYER: “Really, that’s way too low. I don’t — I want to keep you happy.”

GATTER: “I was going to say 50 (dollars). I’ve been in places that did 50 (dollars), too. But see, we don’t — we’re not in it for the money, and we don’t want to be in the position of being accused of selling tissue and stuff like that. On the other hand, there are costs associated with the use of our space, and all that kind of stuff.”

BUYER: “Exactly. Yes, right.”

GATTER: “So, what were you thinking about?”

BUYER: “Way higher than that.”

GATTER: “Mm hmm.”

BUYER: “So, I’d like to start at around a hundred (dollars).”

GATTER: “OK. Now this is for tissue that you actually take? Not just tissue that the person volunteers but you can’t find anything, right?”

BUYER: “Exactly. Right. What is — what we can use, what is intact. So that’s why I’m saying, no, don’t low-ball, I want you to be happy.”

Unlike with the first video, there is (not yet, anyway) a full-length video available. On the other hand, it is hard to watch the nearly two minutes of continuous footage transcribed above and imagine what unseen context could possibly justify the way Gatter talks about being compensated for handing over the tissue. In fact, by the end of the video she is heard saying, “Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this ($100 per specimen) is in the ballpark, then it’s fine; if it’s still low, then we can bump it up.” Then, turning to the unnamed woman sitting next to her, she jokes, “I want a Lamborghini!”

Also on the video is a discussion between Gatter and the actors about techniques the abortionist might use to preserve the tissue. Gatter seems aware that changing the technique used in an abortion just to procure tissue is not allowed — in fact, it’s prohibited by federal law — but she dismisses the notion there’s a real difference: “To me, that’s kind of a specious little argument.”

That’s two videos in one week showing high-level Planned Parenthood officials suggest fetal tissue is available at the right price, and that the right price may include quite a mark-up. Georgia’s Nathan Deal is one of several governors to order a review of Planned Parenthood clinics in their states. Congress, which continues to appropriate money to Planned Parenthood under the ruse that it doesn’t necessarily fund abortions (because, you know, money isn’t fungible or anything), should use its subpoena power to get these officials and others to testify about exactly what’s going on in their clinics.

(Here’s the video released today. If a full-length version comes out, I will add it.)

UPDATE: The full-length video is available. Here it is:

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Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

Although mentions of dollar amounts in the conversation may sound alarming—as they were in the first video—small payments for transportation and processing are legal in human fetal-tissue donation. Under 42 U.S. Code § 289g—2 , U.S. law prohibits the “valuable consideration” of human fetal tissue, but it does allow “reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.”


End of story



Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

 David Daleiden’s new undercover video shows a push to get a top doctor to alter how abortions are done—but she mocks the idea of turning a profit on fetal tissue.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/21/planned-parenthood-official-jokes-about-buying-lamborghini-with-fetus-tissue-profits.html


At 50 bucks a pop she is gonna have to sell alot of tissue.


Considering the average Lamborghini costs around 200,000 she better get busy


Man you guys fell for this hoax again. Dont worry Kyle. A third video will be along shortly. 


Please dear god Kyle you are better than this. Aren't you ?

straker
straker

Headley - "basing decisions solely on emotional responses"


Republican politicians say WHAT?????

GB101
GB101

I don't understand this.  The actor is pretending to be a buyer and pretending to negotiate over the price.  Gatter is reluctant to be the first to name a figure.  Standard negotiating practice, as she points out.  Finally she mentions a number.  Then the pretend buyer says that is too LOW.


Why doesn't Gatter get suspicious?   A real buyer would not pass up a bargain.

JoelEdge
JoelEdge

Looks like Cruella de Vil has dyed her hair.

Mustang100
Mustang100

Liberal Democrats have aborted at least 50 million of their future voter base since RvW and now they are scrambling with schemes like 'legal' illegals.

Christ-mas
Christ-mas

Its not tissue....its a child.


When an abortion takes place its killing a child....period!


Killing a child with "abnormalities" is more humane?  Babies with "abnormalities" are happier and more loving than most on here.


A "small part" of PP.....NO!


They make over 100 million dollars a year on abortions...no other "service" comes close.

They creatively make it a "low %" of their services....giving a band aid, advice, etc. are counted as one separate "service" to make it seem like its a small part.


Birth Control from PP....studies are now coming out in large numbers that show that they are causing breast cancer probabilities significantly rise.  Plus, its the contraceptive mentality that has actually caused the abortion rates to soar.

So get your facts straight.


Babies are being dismembered under the lie that its "tissue", a "blob" and more "humane".


Obama, the Dems and PP....killing Americans one baby at a time.

MHSmith
MHSmith

Psst BTW PP helps alot of woman with birth control. Get rid of PP and you know what will happen ?

>>>> County health departments and community clinics fill the same needs and services in the community as PP: Including free or low cost birth control or drugs and social workers to guide and advise women on how to get assistance from the various sources available to them.



Many more unwanted pregnancies. Think that might cause a few more abortions ?

>>>> Responsible people who are truly responsible are very likely never to need abortions. You can't have this responsibility issue both ways bw, if you are a responsible adult you will act responsibly when engaging in sex and take steps to avoid a unwanted pregnancies. 

In the rare cases of a healthy responsible person having a unwanted pregnancy it should mean more adoption request filled. Plenty of people who cannot have a baby, want to adopt babies. Now that so-called same sex marriages are legal homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals to adopt. Which should translate into less unwanted children fewer abortions and a lot more happy families  

Adoption is far better than abortion. 

lvg
lvg

So Kyle tell me what have you and GOP done for unwed mothers who are unfit to be parents? How many unwanted children have you and your friends adopted? What has GOP done to curb rampant overpopulation in the US and worldwide??. One billion  in 1800 and over 8 billion now. what do you you think is causing the millions of staeless refugees worldwide  that are inundated most civilized and advanced countries? According to El Rushbo any woman seeking contraceptives who is unmarried is a prostitute. Is that where this is heading?

TheRealJDW
TheRealJDW

Yes yes Kyle...we know all Planned Parenthood people walk just this sort of fine line between right and wrong....just like all Republicans believe Mexicans are rapists and John McCain was not a hero at all.

Jake6304
Jake6304

Obummer does not care,or they would be shut down already

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides

PP should be shut down immediately. Anyone who supports this group is sick.

sssinff
sssinff

Marriage equality is law. So....now it's time to move on to the next losing wedge issue?


Good luck!

Dusty2
Dusty2

This whole thing is obnoxious, that doctor in particular.  She talks like she is bargaining for a slab of beef for dinner.  I'd say she has all the compassion of a mud turtle. 


Abortion is undesirable.  At one time, it was never a consideration.  Now it has gone too far in the opposite direction.  It is used for birth control and little else. 


Do these mothers know what happens to the fetus they produced?  Probably not and they wouldn't care anyway unless they knew about money for what they produced. 


I think every fetus should be cremated as a salute to their lost life.  Planned Parenthood should pay for that service.  When human life is so expendable, then horrors like the Holocaust may be permissible.  Anyway, this is one huge mishmash of human failure.  Let us stop the sale of human flesh .  That's the least we can do.  . 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Jefferson1776 Well


It should be used for research instead of discarded. The funny thing is some of the very people moaning over this will never know their grandchildren or great grandchildren were saved by research done with the donated tissue. 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

Absolutely sickening. Hard to believe Americans support this organization PP.  

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Doom Classical liberal Absolutely sickening


No its not. In fact you or yours cold one day be saved from the research done with the donated tissue.


Hard to believe Americans support this organization PP.  


Not really. They area fine organization. Abortion is a tiny tiny tiny part of what PP does anyway. 


Psst BTW PP helps alot of woman with birth control. Get rid of PP and you know what will happen ?


Many more unwanted pregnancies. Think that might cause a few more abortions ?



LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

@HeadleyLamar:  "you or yours cold one day be saved from the research done with the donated tissue"

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Unless the tissue was going to be the researcher that developed the treatment you needed.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

 All life matters...


Yes it does. No one is pro abortion.


Is it more humane to abort a baby after 20 weeks on doctors advice due to extreme abnormalities ? Or let the baby be born when it can feel pain and suffer an agonizing death ?


I would argue for the former 


Is it more humane to throw away tissue that would be otherwise discarded at abortion clinics ? Or is it more humane to let researchers use that tissue to possibly cure cancer and other deadly diseases ?


I would argue for the latter. 


All life does matter.....Those that wish to ban abortion have their hearts in the right place. They just aren't thinking things out to their logical conclusion. Its an emotional issue for them. I get that. Shock videos like the ones Kyle has posted feed right into that. Its sort of the point. 


Basing decisions solely on emotional responses is almost always wrong. 


Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@MHSmith @HeadleyLamar  Listen closely bw and libs the pro-life advocates of my stamp are against "abortions on demand". 


Nobody is for "abortion on demand" or any other such nonsense. 

MHSmith
MHSmith

@HeadleyLamar 

Listen closely bw and libs the pro-life advocates of my stamp are against "abortions on demand". 

We support the laws as they were "Per-Roe -v- Wade" which  permitted abortions:

- in cases of rape

- in cases of incest, 

- in cases of a threat to life of the mother 

- or in cases of gross malformations of the fetus 

The consensual "legal, ethical and moral" use of body tissue for medical purposes is not in question nor is it being objected to. 


Now you have nothing more to assume or any more false allegations to make against me.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

I get all this Kyle, and yes it is despicable and intolerable, if not illegal, but given that these people are mass murderers (systematically destroying human life) and our country is looking the other way these nits aren't even worth debating. They are no more evil if they intentionally recruited mothers to market their unborn fetuses.

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

@DawgDadII

While I don't disagree, I think it's helpful and instructive to make this as visible and graphic as possible.  The hardcore abortionists won't be persuaded from their death-on-demand position, but a great number of people in the middle will be.

MHSmith
MHSmith

@DawgDadII 

I personally fear they may well be "intentionally recruited mothers to market their unborn fetuses".


Wena Mow Masipa How
Wena Mow Masipa How

A few thoughts...


If Planned Parenthood broke the law, it and the responsible individuals should suffer the consequences.


Planned Parenthood is more than just an abortion provider. Think about that in the context of what they may or may not have done.


Headley is right - abortion is legal.  And women have a right to control their reproductive testimony. Conservatives should actually live the personal responsibility / individual liberty mantra for a change rather than just talking about it. 

MHSmith
MHSmith

@Wena Mow Masipa How

 


This has nothing to do with bad decisions or the right of a woman to control her reproductive organs.

Get this and let it sink in... the pro-life advocates are interested in protecting the rights of the fetus.  We believe a fetus is a human being, as long as the fetus shows signs of being alive, then the fetus has the same right to live as any one of us here today.

We know the law; and abortion as under Roe-v-Wade wasn't always the law. Roe can and should be overturned. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Strange how you liberals can see that principle when it's slavery or akin to it but not the same on so many other like moral issues.  


Yeah conservatives should actually live the personal responsibility / individual liberty mantra and so should the socialist liberals live the infallible standards they set for conservatives to live by for a CHANGE rather than just talk about them.

..

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@MHSmith @Wena Mow Masipa How We believe a fetus is a human being, as long as the fetus shows signs of being alive, then the fetus has the same right to live as any one of us here today.


Us pro choice people also believe that. But we also live on a planet called Earth


Here where we live people are going to have abortions. Whether it is illegal or not. We realize making it illegal only pushes it underground. Where the health of the mother is at risk as well. 


We also realize that keeping it legal makes it easier for mothers to seek counseling. To have other alternatives put in front of them such as adoption. 


We are thinking things out all the way. Not simply thinking simple mindedly that making it illegal will make it all go away. Poof just like that.


We also realize that sometime the mothers health is at risk. Perhaps on doctors advice she will abort the baby to save her own life. So that she can continue to be a mother and wife. We know as well that very few abortion happen after 20 weeks and that the overwhelming majority of which happen on doctors advice/. We feel it is better to end these lives humanely than let them be born in terrible pain and suffering only to die days later. 


This is what the majority of pro choice people believe. We arent out to kill babies. I don't want babies/fetuses to feel pain.


We just have a much deeper intellectual view on the subject. 





DawgDadII
DawgDadII

@HeadleyLamar @MHSmith @Wena Mow Masipa How Yep, that explains 58 million abortions, right. Abounding compassion.


Seriously, I don't expect us to ever agree. I live in the "real" world, too, and yes, there are situations where taking human life is a rational and even "necessary" act. Personally, I cannot accept a public policy that makes abortions socially acceptable as a form of birth control and compels taxpayers to support it.

straker
straker

Headly - "just around the corner"


Like their healthcare plan to replace Obamacare?

MHSmith
MHSmith

@straker 

Yep, one more conservative Supreme Corut Justice just around the corner. :)

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@straker Its in the same file for sure.


Right along side the better deal they would have gotten from Iran.

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

What charges do you feel should be filed, Kyle?

Against whom?

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@Kyle_Wingfield @Nick_Danger 

Well, like, maybe, some kind of evidence - any evidence at all -  of a crime being committed, for instance?

No way you could get an indictment on this.  I doubt an honest judge would give you a search warrant based on this.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Nick_Danger Who said anything about an indictment based on two videos? Like I said, this should prompt an investigation; it isn't the entire investigation. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Nick_Danger I think it depends on what more has been found, how widespread the findings are, etc. This would appear to be the beginning of something, not the end of it.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @Nick_Danger  I think it depends on what more has been found, how widespread the findings are, etc. This would appear to be the beginning of something, not the end of it.


This is the just around the corner stuff I was alluding too.


Sound familiar ?

MHSmith
MHSmith

Can't wait to see the last part of this sickening undercover operation's revelations. 


Thank God Justice Blackmun's feared chill wind continues to blow and Justice Scalia awaits that one vote needed to overturn Roe-v-Wade. 


Now, is there any conservative who needs any more of a reason to rally behind a complete 2016 take over of Congress and the White House by the GOP?

.

All life matters...


Repeal and replace Roe-v-Wade!

straker
straker

Kyle, what's your bottom line here?


Shall we overturn Roe vs Wade because of this one video?

MHSmith
MHSmith

@straker 

This one video is far from the years of opposition to Roe-v-Wade. We nearly overturned it in 1998. Which led to Justice Blackmun's statement: I fear a chill wind blows as he was pointing to the fact one vote was all that Scalia needed to reverse Roe.

Should the GOP take control of Congress and the White House in 2016 the socialist democrats can take it as a wake up call. We conservatives could repeal Roe in one of two ways: Through, the Supreme Court or in the Congress.       

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

Bottom line is this


Rowe vs Wade isn't going anywhere nor is PP


Republicans will spend hundreds of millions of dollars on Benghazi style investigations that will lead nowhere. But they will still instruct their flock that the damning evidence is just around the corner


And us sane folks will know what we knew all along. PP doesnt sell body parts. 

MHSmith
MHSmith

@HeadleyLamar 

Bottom line is, neither you or the socialist democrats  own the bottom line bw.  


Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@HeadleyLamar "They spent $80 million on Whitewater."
More like $60 million, but hey, you only overstated it by 33%. And, note that it was less than one hundred million, much less "hundreds" of millions.

In any case, that was a multi-year investigation. I'm talking about one hearing, to start.

"Far fetched"? Yeah, I'd say so.