Video: Bookman and Wingfield on Iraq

Twelve years after U.S.-led coalition forces rolled into Iraq, controversy remains — and the country is aflame again under the attacks of ISIS. Is Iraq a campaign issue for 2016 campaign issue for Republicans, most of whom weren’t in office in 2002-03, and for Hillary Clinton, who was? If so, what’s the right way to think about it?

Jay and I discuss it in this week’s video:



As always, let me know what you think in the comments.

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ATLSportsRiseUp
ATLSportsRiseUp

It is amazing how willing some people are to send our young men and women to war to die for a war in the middle east that will never end whether we intervene or not.  How about you "patriotic" wackos sign up for the military yourselves and go to war.  It easy to sound tough when you're sitting your lazy behinds on the couch watching American idol. 

JoelEdge
JoelEdge

One certain thing I've learned from the Iraq war is that the Democrat party will sanction a war (by way of fear or faulty info) and then will slander the troops for party gain. I've also learned that we don't need to be the world's police force. A rare point of agreement with Bookman. Although I suspect some report on some group (Syria/Pelosi) getting slaughtered will soon have some leftist on their feet squealing 'we need to do something". Sorry, no sale.

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

The Obama/Clinton regime's strategy has failed in Iraq.  It's time they admit their mistakes and do the hard work necessary to fix it (well, those who haven't run and hidden from their failure).

That's what real leaders would do.  That's what Our President Bush did.

Obama is a coward and a fool, as is Hillary.  Hillary ran away from the problems she created and left the community organizer holding the bag by himself.

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

Just how many Americans would Saddam have killed if we stayed home like a good country ...

lvg
lvg

@Jefferson1776 The issue was how many Americans would have died in Saudi Arabia where the 9-11 terrorists came from and theiir stated purpose was to get US out of their holy land. Bush did exactly that after US invaded Iraq- terrorists won. So any killings of US soldiers stopped in Saudi Arabia. 

MarkVV
MarkVV

There are plenty of false arguments from the Republican side regarding Iraq, both about the start of the war, and the present situation. Whether there were lies involved in the original decision is debatable, but there certainly was plenty of bad interpretation of the information from the intelligence (remember the aluminum tubes?). More important for today are political arguments such as voiced here by Kyle, that leaving a small residual US force would have prevented the rise of ISIS. It is a wild speculation, not based on any facts. The most likely result of having such force there would be that more thousands of US servicemen would have been killed by now, without anything resolved in the sectarian struggle there.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@MarkVV but there certainly was plenty of bad interpretation of the information from the intelligence


That is nothing. Cheney was running around telling everyone that Atta had met with the Iraqi's in Prague


Everyone included Cheney knew that was complete BS.


"It's been pretty well confirmed that (Atta) did go to Prague, and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in (the Czech Republic) last April, several months before the attack."


Not we think or we suspect....Its we have CONFIRMED.


He knew that was a lie.


Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

Bush say it was the wrong thing to do, he's right.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

Thinking back, Obama, as it turns out, is emulating Donald Rumsfield's "Light footprint" approach, which, by the by, was a failure that brought about the SUCCESSFUL surge.

The Rumsfeld/Obama Doctrine?

Funny that, eh? 

Wena Mow Masipa How
Wena Mow Masipa How

@FIGMO2 No, not funny. And not right. Mr. Rumsfeld presiding over mucking up a foreign invasion. Mr. Obama doesn't want to repeat his predecessor administration's mistakes.

Dusty2
Dusty2

Thanks, Kyle, I did get the video to work.  Since we have US air power working there, we are helping the Iraqis.  Today's paper reports that Shite militias and Sunni  pro-government fighters are working together to regain lost  ground in Anbar. Maybe losing Ramadi will "awaken" the Iraqis to a stronger  cooperative  effort. They better make haste.


As to the theatrics, Bookman threw in a little "blood, sweat & tears" with his "send your sons & daughters to war"  bit.  A little blood curdling propaganda does create  warmth of a sort.   

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

Good points from both sides.

I watched Woodward's interview online. Given his reputation, I've no reason to doubt what he says. My own research verifies.

The old adage --- "That was then, this is now" applies.

In the early part of this year, 57% of Americans were in favor of deploying U.S. ground forces to combat ISIS. Perhaps they're thinking back to the time when GWB argued that it was better to fight them over there than here.

Given the geographical gains ISIS has made, Americans are likely thinking it's just a matter of time before they attack here at home.

Carpe diem! 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

Id love to see this repeated over and over during the GOP debates.


1. Obama was wrong to leave Iraq

2. In the first 100 days of my Administration we are going back.


Good luck with all that. 

Dusty2
Dusty2

Video? What video?  I'm not a subscriber so it won't appear I guess. Just like letters to the editor.  No show there for non-subscribers who still read AJC in print (gift!). Oh well.  Did I miss anything here?

Caius
Caius

In 2003 we made decisions based on faulty intelligence.  We still have faulty intelligence.  We have had faulty intelligence in the Middle East since the 1920's.

As a nation we do not appreciate that this is not a war between countries, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, etc, but between branches of Islam with a few ethnic interests crossing over the religious divide. There are no real nations in the Middle East, just lines on a map drawn by the British Foreign Office. 

The Sunni's and Shia have been at each others throats for 1300 plus years. They are not going to stop because the United States wants them to stop.  They are not going to stop because we send troops to the area.  They will fight until one destroys the other.


And remember, Congress, both Democrats and Republicans voted to invade Iraq.  Both parties are guilty as sin!

And as far as the 2011 exit date is concerned, it was a product of the Bush administration that G W Bush signed while he was dodging shoes, if you recall. But everyone knows this.


Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Caius And remember, Congress, both Democrats and Republicans voted to invade Iraq.  Both parties are guilty as sin!


Most Democrats voted against the joint resolution.


Hillary voted yes and it cost her the WH with Dem voters. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@HeadleyLamar "Most Democrats voted against the joint resolution. Hillary voted yes and it cost her the WH with Dem voters."
She was in the majority among Senate Democrats.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @HeadleyLamar She was in the majority among Senate Democrats

Yes and like her some of them paid dearly for that choice


The majority of Dem congressmen voted NO to joint resolution.

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

"Rafe sign yourself up for a tour of duty for Iraq. This is not Korea and it is a no win war. Islams hate us even more for being over there. But if you must go, I understand. "


Who said I supported a ground war, I'm just asking questions.  If and when ISIS forces us into a fight, at a time and place they choose, the question is going to be asked, why didn't we eliminate them when they were a rag tag outfit crossing into Iraq, why didn't we eliminate them when they numbered less than 50,000 troops.  Every day and every success adds to their appeal for foreign fighters to show up and join. 


What I would do is give up on the Iranian puppet regime in Baghdad and send arms, supplies, and humanitarian aid to the Kurds and the other Sunni forces that wished to fight them, put some special force units there to serve as forward operators, so that our air planes don't circle around and return home without dropping their load, because they can't find a target.  Mobilize the willing Arab nations to launch ground strikes at specific targets after they have been weakened.  The Iranian puppet regime in Baghdad has no will to fight until they invade the Shia regions, so efforts to work with them are futile.


The proggies and their mentor Obama just love this false choice of do nothing or go die.

MHSmith
MHSmith

The sound quality on these video clips is not very good Kyle.  



Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@MHSmith It works fine for me. Tell me about how you're watching it (desktop/mobile, browser, etc.).

MHSmith
MHSmith

@Kyle_Wingfield @MHSmith


Just whisper a lot louder, Kyle. The volume here is the worst I've heard on any other site. But hey, at least your advertiser's commercials are BLASTING loud and clear. LOL.



Anyway, Iraq has been our latest national nightmare. I feel compelled to apologize to our young men and women who fought to give a people - the Iraqis - who obviously didn't want freedom and liberty bad enough to carry on their own fight to keep it. 


Hey Rumsfeld, you see why I almost puked as my blood ran cold when I heard you say "we're winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people?!"


I'm really sadden to see the Iraqi's waste of your sacrifice made for them fellows. 


I have learned one lesson out these CONFLICTS we seem destined to get involved in  and it is this: Before the next one I am going to want to know ahead of entering into battle if we're fighting to win the hearts and minds of a despondent people that have no desire of changing either their hearts or their minds.


  


lvg
lvg

ISIL is the only force stopping Iran from total control of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. That's why Saudis support them and possibly Turkey too.On the other hand Iraqis cannot win against ISIL without help from Shiite militias under Iran's control. So all you geniuses on the right what is the solution? 


You guys ready to fight ISIL and fight  Iran along with Hezbollah or   just cut and run like Saint  Ronnie did in Lebanon after 247 marines were killed and say "not my problem" or provide strictly air support like the Black Muslim from Kenya is doing?

Where is your plan?

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Great! 


This week was a perfect video production.  No suggestions from me.  You are both on your way with the "Wingfield and Bookman Show." 


Content, as always, was right on target. Now, maybe, this series will be on the money for you you and Jay. I hope so for you and for your families. Best of luck!

lvg
lvg

Kyle and Cons are perpetuating a myth about success of surge before Obama took office.


Bush and Petreaus created ISIL by paying Al Queda and criminal elements of Sadaam's former regime to stand down while they were forming Sunni militias which became ISIL. Guess what happened when US money and bribes ran out?


Read interview with Katie Harper about the farce perpetrated by Bush and Petreaus to make it appear the surge was working.


http://www.alternet.org/story/62827/u.s._is_paying_off_iraq%27s_worst_war_criminals_in_attempt_to_ward_off_attacks

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

@lvg So, Obama embraced a surge in Afghanistan, because the one Bush did in Iraq was a failure?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@lvg The peace was being kept with 100,000 troops in Iraq ( That costs money Cons, remember we are broke ) and bribes galore.


That was always going to unravel into what we see today no matter what was done. 


In the end history will show Obama saved thousands of American lives by bringing those boys home. 

lvg
lvg

@HeadleyLamar @lvg Cons do not care about saving American lives or deficit spending on the military.

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

It's definitely a campaign issue and the situation will change during the course of the campaign. The American people have no interest in sending our forces back in there.

Kyle and other conservatives say Obama pulled us out too soon. But if we don't want to go back how can one say it was too soon.

jimbob22
jimbob22

Jay, 

what's wrong with US policy there? it's not like the US actually inflicted Zionism or civil rights on anyone over there.  Isn't that a good thing?

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

You win Kyle, spot on.  The question the left should be constantly asked is when do we take them on.  The idea that some other country will do this for us, is very naive, never happened before.  They are growing stronger every day and the other Muslim countries have shown no willingness to engage.  These people enjoy more support than the left will admit.  85% of Al Jazerra viewers support ISIS,according to some recent poll.  


So do we wait until they invade Jordan or Turkey or Pakistan, or all three?.  How much stronger and dug in will they be then?   Is it better to take on this JV team of 50,000 now or wait until they control most of the middle east and then try to push back on their gains, with another major multi-national ground war..

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

Rafe why isn't the republican congress with you?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@RafeHollister  is when do we take them on


A: Never


They are growing stronger every day


A: No they are not. They cant even run a state and provide basic things such as sanitation etc. And they have no currency


They are the JV team. 

GMFA
GMFA

@RafeHollister Rafe sign yourself up for a tour of duty for Iraq. This is not Korea and it is a no win war. Islams hate us even more for being over there. But if you must go, I understand.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@RafeHollister

85% of Al Jazerra viewers support ISIS

Just how gullible do you have to be to believe something as absurd as this, being fed to you?

sheesh.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Kyle, the "right" way, or the correct way?