In case you forgot who she really is

Trust but verify.

That’s the Clinton family motto, as we were reminded once more Tuesday when Hillary Clinton finally found a few minutes to address publicly, albeit with no small measure of obvious annoyance, a story that remains stubbornly in the headlines. The story, reported eight days earlier by the New York Times, is that Clinton exclusively used a personal email account during her tenure as secretary of state — an account hosted on her own personal server, in apparent violation of federal record-keeping regulations.

Clinton revealed Tuesday that about half the emails on her personal account from those years had been deleted. Why? She deemed them of a personal nature. Truly personal emails deserve privacy, but the point of having government officials use government email addresses and store their missive on government servers is so someone else can help make that determination with a greater degree of independence. At this point, that may not be possible, although Clinton was unclear about whether the data were truly destroyed. She was quite clear, though, that she doesn’t intend to let anyone else check to see. That, she said, is because the server holds private correspondence between her and Bill Clinton, although the former president famously does not use email.

That last contradiction was one of several to emerge as this story has grown. On Tuesday, Clinton said she declined to use a government email address alongside her personal address out of the “convenience” of using one device instead of two. Now, convenience is not generally accepted as a justification for ignoring government regulations, but that’s not the contradiction here. Less than a week before the Times’ first story about her emails, Clinton said at a conference in California:

“There are reasons when you start out in Washington on a Blackberry you stay on it in many instances. But it’s also — I don’t know, I don’t throw anything away. I’m like two steps short of a hoarder. So I have an iPad, a mini iPad, an iPhone and a Blackberry.”

How … inconvenient.

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Clinton’s “humble brag” about the number of devices she carries these days would seem to be part of a careful effort to portray herself as in-touch and up-to-speed; see also the nearby picture which, as of Tuesday night, remained the avatar on Clinton’s Twitter account. Can’t you see? She’s a jet-setting, shades-wearing, smartphone-wielding power broker … not a grandmother who’d join Reagan as the only presidents to be inaugurated at age 69. (And if you don’t think that picture was staged for maximum coolness effect, ask yourself: Who wears sunglasses while reading a phone screen, especially indoors?)

On top of all this, we had a perfectly Clintonian effort not just to excuse her behavior, but to portray it as worthy of admiration. See, what’s “unprecedented” here isn’t Clinton’s refusal to use a government email address at all, to have her emails stored on government servers, to leave the State Department unable to fulfill Freedom of Information Act requests, to decide for herself which documents she’d turn over for public review and which ones she wouldn’t, and, when she did finally turn over some of the data, to hand it over in the form of 55,000 pages of printed (i.e., not-so-search-friendly) material. No, what’s “unprecedented” here is how downright dutiful Clinton has been in giving us what she did!

“I went above and beyond what I was requested to do,” she said Tuesday. Hey, someone give her a medal!

If you are a card-carrying Democrat, you have to be asking yourself at this point if it’s really worth it. If the possibility of keeping the Obama coalition together and electing the first woman president is really worth returning to the era of hiding, finding, dodging, parsing, wagons-circling, counter-attacking; finding more, dodging more, parsing more …

It never ends with these Clintons. They carry themselves as if they’re above the law. They denounce others for pointing it out and then rationalize their actions. And the beat goes on.

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Salt-n-Light
Salt-n-Light

Sad that Democrats two biggest personalities are serial liars. Par for the course. Just sayin'

Starik
Starik

The campaign begins.  Republicans would do better to stick to matters of substance. Remember the Swift Boat affair, where a Vietnam vet, who volunteered for combat duty was condemned by the supporters of a Vietnam draft dodger.  Clinton admitted draft dodging and was elected twice but it was equally insulting to veterans to elect Dubya.

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

The future president is who she is ... and you have the GOP to blame.

SGAMOD
SGAMOD

and she walks into the Whitehouse because the repubs can't get their act together because of the extremist in the party (right-wingers)

TheRealJDW
TheRealJDW

"The story, reported eight days earlier by the New York Times, is that Clinton exclusively used a personal email account during her tenure as secretary of state — an account hosted on her own personal server, in apparent violation of federal record-keeping regulations."


A) It is not a violation of the laws at the time.

B) EVERY Secretary of State before her did EXACTLY the same thing.


Load the next windmill for Kyle to tilt. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@TheRealJDW "EVERY Secretary of State before her" worked exclusively from a personal email account, hosted on a server at his/her home, and decided for him/herself which emails he/she would make public?

Let's see you substantiate that.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

I've asked this over at Jay's and I will ask it here.

Doesn't anyone think it strange, given that this scandal is about the use of a personal email server, that nobody receiving an email from a "clintonemail.com" domain thought to say anything about it all those years she was Secretary of State?

Wouldn't many legislators and their staffers have had email contact during that time with the Secretary? Including many GOPers who would've had an interest in any opening they might find on this political opponent?

Wouldn't a "clintonemail.com" domain have raised an eyebrow if it were--as is being alleged--noncompliant with regulations?

Pardon me if I go on thinking that this doesn't really amount to anything at all, and that the proof is in the disinterest all those years.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Kyle_Wingfield @Visual_Cortex

I wouldn't think it surprising for people she emailed a) not to pay attention to which email address she had used; b) not to pay attention to whether she had done this; c) to assume she had just bcc'd the work address; or d) have known she was doing because they were doing it too (see her closest aides at State.

An awful lot of not-paying-attention going on, especially considering how hard the Subcommittee in Perpetuity for Investigatin' Benghazi (or whatever it calls itself now) has been itching to find something, anything with traction on HC.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@Visual_Cortex One explanation I have seen is that officials using personal email accounts would often cc their work accounts on messages to comply with the records-retention rules. I wouldn't think it surprising for people she emailed a) not to pay attention to which email address she had used; b) not to pay attention to whether she had done this; c) to assume she had just bcc'd the work address; or d) have known she was doing because they were doing it too (see her closest aides at State.

MHSmith
MHSmith

Public servants are worse than PATHETIC when they do things that so much as HINT they are hiding bad or wrongful acts or deeds done while in office which they do not want to give an account for to the public that has every right to hold them responsible. Open transparent government is the only defense we have to keep corruption at bay and out of honest government. 



And worse than these lousy deceiving politicians are these sniffling hacks who rush to defend such bad actors before the facts, if they can be found, are given a proper investigation before public scrutiny: What are they afraid of, public opinion or the untold truth?



For me it makes no difference which side is guilty of running a private email account and email server or taping conversations to filter or destroy what is the rightful property of the American people as a matter of record disclosing their public actions done privately: Whether their name is Clinton or Nixon,"NO ONE IS ABOVE - ANY PART, BIG OR SMALL - OF ANY LAW!" 


Now the latest excuse from the left to defend Hillary is well she's not the only one that does this or is doing this. Maybe we should act so nonchalant about other crimes or gross violation of transparency from government  office holders?


Hold them all accountable, no private email accounts or tapings, to avoid disclosure of government business that should be made public knowledge is what I say Kyle .  

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

The batty left wing is (and has been) quite ready and even anxious to dump Hillary in favor of an even more liberal fascist and less America-loving alternative.

Hillary's toast.  Not because of anything Real Americans can do to her.  Democrats will take her out.

Hopefully later, rather than sooner, so she can do as much damage as possible.

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/03/06/hilary_clinton_in_2007_we_know_about_bushs_secret_email_accounts.html


In 2007, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton denounced the Bush administration practice of hiding official correspondence from the public using private email servers -- a practice she replicated less than two years later. .


Hypocrite?  She did everything required, but continued to do what she knew to be wrong!  Just the type person we need in the WH, right?

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

What are you accusing her of,


Being opaque.  She possibly put her own ambitions and ideology ahead of the country's best interests.  The only way to determine whether she did or not is transparency.  She used up her "benefit of the doubt" long ago. 

MarkVV
MarkVV

The most important question, which nobody attacking Mrs. Clinton seems to be answering: What are you accusing her of, other than perhaps (still not clear) breaking some rule? If all you have is “she might have done something wrong in those email, and now we cannot see what,” that is pretty pathetic.

ALibNotToBeMessedW/
ALibNotToBeMessedW/

@HeadleyLamar @MarkVV

Not really.  She may have broken a rule. She may have broken the law. She may have done exactly what others - on both sides - did before.  But in my opinion she showed very poor judgment.  I'm both a fan and a supporter of Ms. Clinton. But she has lost my vote. I hope she does not win the Democratic nomination.

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

@MarkVV

Incredibly poor judgement.  She's not qualified to configure, secure, and operate an email server commensurate with her security clearance.

Lack of transparency.

Acting in a manner consistent with someone who has much to hide.

Considering herself above the rules set out for everyone else.

She totally fits into the Obozo regime--never bound by rules, or the law, or the Constitution.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@MarkVV What are you accusing her of,


Being a Democrat and Running for President.


Swift Boating season comes earlier and earlier.

MHSmith
MHSmith

Trust but forget about those missing emails once again Kyle?  LOL



stogiefogey
stogiefogey

"Who wears sunglasses while reading a phone screen...?"

Have pity, she's just doing what seniors with newfangled gadgets do to try to be hip...speed dial time & temperature then stare at it for a few minutes.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Bumper15 "Who wears sunglasses while reading a phone screen...?"


People wear sunglasses for all sorts of medical conditions. 

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Her problems, however, went deeper. To start, she’s not a natural politician. Remember, the wheels started to come off the campaign bus for her in 2008 after her answer to this question on driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants. It’s still hard to watch the exchange without cringing. Her speeches tended to be wooden and forced. She didn’t exude warmth.


obama proved that anyone can run a campaign. clinton doesn't even come across as sincere, which is the first hurdle for anyone seeking office. It's just a mindless march towards the coronation, with absolutely no substance.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/03/11/why_clintons_emails_matter_125899.html

332-206
332-206

@IReportYouWhine

I just don't see her as an accomplished campaigner. For all the reputed smarts/shrewdness, she's compiled a list of really dumb public remarks.

EdUktr
EdUktr

Imagine what liberals would be saying if a Republican Secretary of State decided what emails the American public would be allowed to see—and shredded the rest.

Just imagine.

ssinf
ssinf

@EdUktr 


Imagine that!


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870.html


"Former Secretary of State Colin Powell says he doesn’t have any emails to turn over to the State Department.

Appearing on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday, Powell responded to revelations that he used a personal email account, rather than a government one, when he was in charge of the State Department. Questions about his email use arose last week when it was disclosed that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a personal email account during her tenure."




Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@ssinf Rather different situation pre-2005 than post-2008, right down to the regulations in place at the respective times.

MarkVV
MarkVV

@EdUktr  Apparently, your imagination is running amok.

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

Kyle: "Circle the wagons, deny, evade, blame ... you, like Hillary, are in mid-campaign form, Headley."


What if, and it's a BIG IF, Hillary is telling the truth?  All emails that had anything to do with her job are now printed out and in the hands of the government.  That at the time, other Secretaries of State used personal email accounts for their job, and was routine in some circles?  


We can imagine all sorts of "what if" combinations of what Hillary "might" be hiding by deleting some emails.  Wouldn't any email from her personal email going to anyone in the government be tracked in those government servers?  She would be caught in a lie about releasing all work related emails.   I don't think she's that dumb to do that. But I'm willing to follow evidence, but everything so far is conjecture



Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@HeadleyLamar "It will be guilty until proven innocent."

As long as she insists on withholding data, she is taking away her claim to the benefit of the doubt ... which someone who has been in public life as long as she has, with as much controversy, didn't really have to begin with.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@LogicalDude And everything will remain conjecture until and unless she agrees to let someone outside the family review what's on the server. She controls whether evidence can even be produced. That's precisely why things aren't supposed to be handled this way.

What's more, as long as she's in control of the evidence, she's in control of deciding if emails related to her foundation are public or private.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @LogicalDude That is just it. It wont be conjecture


It will be guilty until proven innocent. And the bar for proving innocence will be so high it cant be crossed.


We just saw this with benghazi folks. 

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

You notice how we never talk about clinton accomplishments?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @Kyle_Wingfield @IReportYouWhine Piggybacking (very apt) off the name of your husband to receive appointments to public offices does not an accomplishment make. I'm willing to spot her the Libya invasion and ensuing al qaeda takeover of a the leaderless country, 


You don't have anything other than winner of the popularity contest?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@IReportYouWhine Plenty of people do


He was the last President to balance the budget for example by raising taxes in 1993.


When he was targeting OBL in Somalia Republicans were more interested in his love life.


Different strokes for different folks. 



Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Kyle_Wingfield @IReportYouWhine I always considered them co President and would again if Hillary is elected.


nice try.


Hillary Clinton is regarded as the First Lady that has been most empowered, except Eleanor Roosevelt. She has served two terms as a US Senator and ran for the presidential office. The American general public considers her a liberal. She has worked in favor of universal health care. No other First ladies held a post-graduate degree before Hillary Rodham Clinton.


She accomplished way more than most. Including all of us here.


And she isn't finished. 

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

I've long advocated we need Sarbanes-Oxley for the US Government, SOX with teeth. The people of this country deserve no less. Our public servants in high posts are continually demonstrating they are out of control and not accountable to the people, laws, regulations, or Congress. Time to put an end to this.


If Hillary were an Executive in a public company she would be in a heap of trouble over this. Records retention and internal controls are taken VERY seriously.

LilBarryBailout
LilBarryBailout

Hitch your wagons to the low-life Clintons, Democrat party!

Real Americans will have a spirited debate and competition on the GOP side.

Of course, that won't make it any easier to make the argument for limited government and free market capitalism over "free stuff" but we owe it to the future of the republic to try.

lvg
lvg

When do we get to see all of Shady's e-mails?

PinkoNeoConLibertarian
PinkoNeoConLibertarian

Personally I don't really care which email account any of them use (assuming proper protections, etc.). BUT...once you use an account for government business, from that point forward that account and everything in it should belong to the government.