The GOP way

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(The following is an imaginary phone conversation between two Georgia Republicans.)

“Howdy, Johnson. It was great seeing you and the missus at the inaugural gala last week.”

“Likewise, Brown. I’m glad our guy pulled it off in November.”

“Yep, and now it looks like he and the legislators are tackling some of those big issues you and I talked about last year.”

“Well …”

“Oh, now don’t go on again about Republicans dodging the big issues, Johnson. They’re talking about a billion dollars — maybe two — for transportation. They’re talking about overhauling public education. That’s serious stuff!”

“You’re right, and I’m glad they’re talking about it. But I’m a little worried about the way they’re talking.”

“What do you mean?”

“Well, Brown, I’ve had this nagging feeling for a while. And then something clicked while I was watching the State of the Union the other night.”

“Go on.”

“Maybe it was seeing the GOP in total control of Congress for the first time in eight years. Or maybe it was seeing them still have to share power with a Democratic president. But it made me think about the last time we had all the levers of power nationally, and how our failure to deal with certain issues — health care, immigration — gave the Democrats the chance to do those things their way once they got back in power.”

“You mean we got Obamacare instead of a more market-based approach.”

“That’s one example.”

“OK, Johnson, but how does this relate to Georgia?”

“Listen, we did a lot better on Election Day than the polls indicated. But we all know this state will be harder for Republicans to win in the future. So, in the meantime, shouldn’t Republicans tackle all the big issues our way? The conservative way?”

“Well, aren’t we?”

“I’m not sure. I hear about a lot of Republicans who won’t vote for anything at all that even looks like a tax increase for transportation, to the point the leadership will have to court Democratic votes. Now, what kind of package do you think those holdouts’ constituents would like better: One that only needs Republican votes, or one that veers leftward enough to get a bunch of Democrats?”

“I’d guess the former.”

“Me, too. The same goes for education reforms — and a whole bunch of other things folks aren’t even talking about right now. I mean, what’s the first thing Democrats would try do if they won even a little power?”

“Expand Medicaid? Dump money into schools without demanding reforms? Spend as much on MARTA as on road paving? Raise taxes?”

“All of the above, Brown. And it’ll be a lot easier for them to justify doing that if we haven’t made changes more to our liking and given them time to start working. We need to find our way to make health care more accessible to people; to support transit where it can work but focus on roads where it can’t; to fix the public schools while also giving people choices; to pass some meaningful tax reform.”

“I’d a whole lot rather do those things now, even if I don’t like every bit of it, than give the liberals an opening to go whole hog their way.”

“You, me and 1,345,235 other Georgians.”

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Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Talking to the empty chair again? 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

EdUktr: Which comment are you talking about?

lvg
lvg

Hilarious!-  GOP solution to making healthcare move available to folks is Reagancare- free ER with no mandatory funding source. That's why rural hospitals are closing  in Georgia and people are can't get emergency health care in their counties. Part of  Georgia GOP race to the bottom.  Romney care and Obamacare provide solutions to the cynical and socialistic approach of Reagancare. But no one on the right  including Kyle would dare advocate adopting Romneycare or Reagancare so hospitals can get more funding. 



stogiefogey
stogiefogey

Well Johnson I wish 'twernt so but Georgia's GOP government is shaping up to be a repeat of George WMD Bush and his do-nothing rubber stamp Congress. Look at the angst they're experiencing just trying to screw up the courage to legalize medical cannabis for dying children.

Similar to what happened at the national level beginning in '08, GA voters will eventually tire of the stagnation and look to the other party.

MarkVV
MarkVV

“The best-case scenario described by the CBO would result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured in 2025, compared to the year before the Affordable Care Act took effect.

Nothing illustrates the mindset of the conservatives better than their dismissal of [merely] 24 to 27 millions of Americans getting medical insurance.

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

Headley,

You had to dig pretty deep to find that negative article didnt you


Its getting harder and harder isn't it ? Remember when it was Death Panels ?


 LOL


It will cost the federal government – taxpayers, that is – $50,000 for every person who gets health insurance under the Obamacare law, the Congressional Budget Office revealed on Monday.

The number comes from figures buried in a 15-page section of the nonpartisan organization's new ten-year budget outlook. 

The best-case scenario described by the CBO would result in 'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured in 2025, compared to the year before the Affordable Care Act took effect.

Pulling that off will cost Uncle Sam about $1.35 trillion – or $50,000 per head.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2927348/Obamacare-program-costs-50-000-American-gets-health-insurance-says-bombshell-budget-report.html#ixzz3PyarnVAi 



$50,000 per insured, that is some success, 1.35 Trillion, we coulda bought each uninsured person their own nurse to follow them around.  Government efficiency at its finest!  


Do you think in the previous "awful" (your word) system, employers paid $50,000 to insure you or any one of us, or that any of us bought $50,000 premium policies?



Dusty2
Dusty2

Awww..I haven't heard from Governor Deal.  Awww

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

The only one -


Lowering taxes for the third time in less than a year, Gov. Scott Walker signed his $541 million tax cut bill in a ceremony Monday at a farm in Cecil as he travels through central and northern Wisconsin touting it.

Speaking at Horsens Homestead Farms, about 35 miles northwest of Green Bay, Walker called it a great day for Wisconsin taxpayers and a sign of the state's shifting financial fortunes in recent years.


How much of that^^ could the AmeRican people use?


http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/scott-walker-set-to-sign-tax-cut-legislation-b99231851z1-251936261.html

Dusty2
Dusty2


Well, I come to help Gov. Deal figure out how to cut school costs (EDUCATION) 'cause I don't want my taxes made higher because common sense has been lost.. 


#1--School is not IHOP.  Parents will feed their  children breakfast before sending them to school. ( Big box of cornflakes@$1:75, I quart of milk $2.00,  a few bananas @$.75= $4.50/week for 1 or 2 children. )  No breakfast served at school. 

#2-School BOX lunch is contracted out and is as simple as this.  A hamburger with lettuce& tomato, served with baby carrots or celery sticks or pineapple chunks , plus two fig bars or fruit cookies and one milk carton.  Parents may  send special lunches from home for special diets  for health problems. . 

#3-School is the promoter of knowledge, not body building.  One hour of exercise in gym or running on field is all required.  Any football, basketball, band music,or other activities should be sponsored by PTA or private organizations who require passing grades from students  to participate.  School property is used only by contract of responsibilities at no cost to the school.

#4-If a child is not passing, not  doing homework, or misbehaving in class, the teacher sends home a simple form that says "Your child is NOT...............because of ..........  If there is no improvement  he will fail his subjects and not pass into a higher grade next year.  Please help your child improve his school work for his/her benefit. . (a failing student gets this note sent every week.)

#5-Use whatever books/electronics that are available.  Require some work written by hand.  Use new methods in books and methods only if they are effective.  Computers  are only tools and should not be the only source of information.  Some books should be required.

#6 -Unsuitable , poorly educated, ineffective, unethical  teachers should not be tolerated.  That should be known definitely.


No matter whether your child is in public or private school, parents are responsible for their children.  That  has not changed.  


So that's the basics.  They still work.  Higher education has gone amuck.  Those are different problems. ,  


  . 

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

Standing by, Kyle.

The GOP could take the liberal approach....throw taxpayer money at the problem and declare it solved, only to revisit the issues in a decade, ignoring the lack of results.

schnirt 

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

When the Supreme Court strikes down obamacare, they will have done more for the AmeRican people than the Republicans ever have.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Can anyone name something that the democrats reformed that didn't turn out to be much, much worse than before?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

It's almost like they can be bought and sold, ain't it?

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

Sad isn't it that both parties are ineffective.  One party thinks Government has all the solutions and they are leading us down the road to outcome equality, where everyone suffers equally, except the ruling class of politicians, of which they hope to be in.


The other party knows that a small efficient, austere government works best, but they have no effective leaders in positions of control, advocating doing anything to shrink government.  The current leaders in control are so drunk with the power, they worked so hard to acquire, that they not interested in any legislation that reduces their power or the size of government.  They are so afraid of doing anything of consequence, for fear of losing their supporters and hence their powerful positions.


We effectively have two parties that are much the same in that they both benefit from and perpetuate the status quo.   Both parties are more interested in staying in power than responding to demands from the citizens.  They both have their pet issues they never wish to resolve, so that every four years they can beat that drum and incite the base.


it is very disheartening to see these folks get elected and immediately abandon any pretense of fulfilling all those promises they made in order to get elected and it happens in both parties.

MHSmith
MHSmith

That is why you get insurance...

  YEAH...

"IF" you work for a company that provides it for you or you can afford to personally "get it".


Now, take away Obamacare:The mandates and subsidies.  

That is why many people won't be able to get insurance and without the mandates on insurance companies far far fewer people would be able to "get it" or remain insured. 

 BTW, did your friend get a flu shot?  Even 30% protection against the flu is better than none at all.



LogicalDude
LogicalDude

"We need to find our way to. . . "


Well, I sure would like to hear some solutions other than OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA. 

Or "we can't raise taxes because we said it before that we can't raise taxes!" 

Or "we can't work with Democrats because we said it before, we can't work with Democrats!" 


And the result will be the same.   Republicans talking to themselves into circular arguments about why they can't do anything because it might, JUST MIGHT, give some smidgen of credit to Democrats for having some good ideas. 

Even if it benefits the state, or country, the Republicans just cannot be for it if they just can't get all the credit. 



Thank you Kyle, for confirming PARTY BEFORE COUNTRY that keep the Republicans from actually doing the country from good. 

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

As for health insurance, I have a friend who caught the flu. He has been sick for a month; two weeks in a hospital. He now has congested heart failure due to that sickness. He's 60. That is why you get insurance. His whole family depends on him. Get well soon.

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

Well aren't they suppose to be governing for all Georgians (state) and all Americans (Federal)?


You have to break some eggs to make an omelet!


"Dump money into schools without demanding reforms?"

But that is regulation, and all repubs know that people do the right thing ALL the time! We don't need no stinkin regs!

Aquagirl
Aquagirl

The real question is why anyone would notice the utter failure of their party to do something and then still support that party. Republicans don't stand for smart, smaller government, they stand for do-nothing government. Except, as Mangler noted, when they think wimmen are too in charge of their uterus, or a couple of guys might (gasp!) get married, or their buddies need a bunch of government contracts, etc.

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@RafeHollister its getting harder and harder to find those kinds of "articles" isn't it ?


'between 24 million and 27 million' fewer Americans being uninsured in 2025, compared to the year before the Affordable Care Act took effect.


LOLOLOLOLOL


Uninsured rates are dropping dramatically since Obamacare took effect. And they still fall for this stuff. 

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@IReportYouWhine Our healthcare system just recently


Costs are rising at the slowest rate in 50 years and the GOP excuse that it was due to the recession really doesn't hold water anymore.


Democrats integrated the military ( Truman )  and the South ( Johnson ). both are much much better places today.


The Democratic party ( more specifically liberals )  have made us the great nation we are today. 

MarkVV
MarkVV

@RafeHollister 


What is sad is that people have – or at least express – this kind of simplistic view of the world.


Anybody who believes that “a party thinks” or “a party knows,” cannot be expected to understand much anything, which is only confirmed by inventing such nonsense as “outcome equality, where everyone suffers equally.”


oledawg
oledawg

@RafeHollister  Lot of truth there and our country would be better off if more people were willing to agree with the truth.  I am independent because neither party appeals to me.  They both have sucked mightily (and equally) at times!

oledawg
oledawg

@LogicalDude  Pretty sure republicans are part of the country also.  Democrats have had 8 years to "do the country some good" on the federal level.  They have really been willing to work with republicans (yeah right).  Elections have consequences and republicans do not have to apologize for winning.

oledawg
oledawg

@RoadScholar  Hope he had health insurance (that he chose to suit his needs) and a disability policy.  I do.  Hope he follows his health providers plan of treatment and gets well soon!

GaBlue
GaBlue

@Aquagirl

I like to call them "DADDY STATE" big gubmint Republicans. They decry the "nanny state" federal government, and bitterly protest mandates from Washington. They want to be free to impose their patriarchal "we know best" garbage on the people of Georgia.

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@Shar1 @IReportYouWhine Exactly


Voters are going to be reminded of that in 2016 as well.


Think about what awful shape Bush left this country in and how much better shape Obama will leave it in. 


Its a slam dunk win for the Democrats. 

oledawg
oledawg

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine  Now that, my friend, is funny!  You should get out more and actually deal with insureds that have been left scrambling because they are losing their plans and costs are increasing a minimum of 30%. 

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@oledawg @LogicalDude Elections have consequences and republicans do not have to apologize for winning.


No they don't. They successfully took back some red states that Obama swept blue in 2008.


In two years most of the races will be in blue states. 

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine So what accounts for the relative decline in jobs in high-wage hospitals and finance? One obvious possibility is increased regulation. The Affordable Care Act for hospitals and Dodd-Frank for finance both passed in 2010, the year real wages began to decline. It might be a coincidence that the industries most affected by these two laws suffered the most damage.


Yeah, everything is just "great" now.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/ed-lazear-solving-the-puzzle-of-stagnant-wages-1422231934

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine Taxes are a pain. Health insurance is a pain. This year, Americans will suffer both when they file their income taxes. Ouch.


When you applied for a credit, you told the exchange what you expected to earn in 2014, and that number was used to calculate your subsidy. Now, when you file the 8962 with your taxes, you're running the numbers again based on what you reallymade. If those amounts are different, your tax credits have to be adjusted. Those who owe the IRS can set up payment plans.


A payment plan with the irs, awesome!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/obamacare-income-taxes_n_6532220.html

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@IReportYouWhine @HeadleyLamar Certainly better than before.


The old system was awful 


Whether one lives or dies shouldn't be based on how deep your pockets are. 


You had to dig pretty deep to find that negative article didnt you


Its getting harder and harder isn't it ? Remember when it was Death Panels ?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine It was the first one I read today. Here's the second -


“I’m sorry sir,” the polite Healthcare.gov customer-service agent said. “There’s nothing I can do. You’re either going to have to enroll in Medicaid or you’re going to have to pay the full health-insurance rate.”

“The rate you quoted earlier?” I asked. “That’s nearly 30 percent higher than my current insurance bill, I just can’t afford it.”


http://nypost.com/2015/01/26/endlessly-slapped-by-obamacare/