Just how blue is Georgia ready to turn?

For years, we have been told Georgia’s changing demographics are pushing the state inexorably toward the Democratic camp. A pair of tight races at the top of the ticket suggest change could be coming as soon as this year.

What we haven’t heard, though, is exactly what it would mean in practical terms if Georgia were to “turn blue.”

Rather, what has emerged during this election season is something of a paradox: The evidence Georgia is turning Democratic is the competitiveness of two candidates who have tried their level best not to sound too much like Democrats.

So we have Jason Carter saying that, as governor, he would spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year more on education and Medicaid — but that he wouldn’t raise taxes to fund it. Rather, he supposedly would find offsetting cuts in the other one-third of the state’s budget; just don’t ask where, because he hasn’t started looking yet.

Perhaps the most left-progressive idea Carter embraced as a senator was reinstating the income caps on HOPE scholarships that Zell Miller once removed. He recently backed away from that. To the extent we can divine how Carter feels about Georgia’s tax code, his position on the tax exemptions for businesses which Democrats often excoriate is not to close them, but to open them up to even more companies.

And thus do we have Michelle Nunn — after spending the primary season trying to avoid sharing a stage with other Democrats — saying her chief attribute as a senator would be a willingness to work with Republicans. While allowing that she’d “defer to” President Barack Obama’s judgment on matters such as the VA hospitals scandal, she has staked out ground more hawkish than the White House on both Syria and a travel ban for Ebola-stricken countries.

Nunn’s prime example of a GOP-supported bill she’d also support is an immigration bill that already passed the Senate, which would seem to undermine the idea that what that chamber needs is a senator who will work with others. (What it really needs on most issues is a Senate majority leader who, unlike Harry Reid, won’t stonewall House GOP legislation to keep it from President Barack Obama’s desk.)

Now, it is true that, even with steadily changing demographics, the Democrats can’t run the same kind of candidates in Georgia as they might in Massachusetts or Minnesota. Not now. Probably not for a long time.

But it is hard to believe Democratic activists would work to register tens of thousands of new voters in Georgia … and liberals from California and New York would send hundreds of thousands of dollars to these candidates in Georgia … and Obama would affirm his policies “are on the ballot” across the country this fall … just so Georgia would become a bit more maroon than red.

Could the general lack of specifics from Carter and Nunn in their respective campaigns reflect a desire not to discourage their own base by sounding too Republican? That’s possible. Or might it instead be a way to sound more centrist than many specifics would allow?

That seems more likely.

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UPDATE: Along these lines, Georgia Republicans send along this clip from an interview President Obama did on local radio station V103 earlier this week:

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DunwoodyGranny
DunwoodyGranny

I'm ready for Georgia to be sky blue. Carolina blue. I'm pretty much done with being governed by old CEOs with CEO ethics and absolutely no concern for the employees who actually get their products out the door. the last person America needs in the Senate is. David Perdue, and Deal is a crook.

JackClemens
JackClemens

I'm a fiscal conservative in favor of a government just big enough to do what it needs to. The best thing for Georgia would be a competitive situation between the parties, rather than the one-party domination we've had my whole life. If both sides have clout, then they have to work together, preferably for the good of the people, rather than of the party.

lvg
lvg

Well the Dems have now  made it clear they are only concerned about the Black vote in Georgia with Michelle following behind Obama's alleged coattails to get elected, and  Dems throw in  a few  racist references to Ferguson in their racially targeted flyer. So the message from Dems is that white votes and crossover votes really don't matter , And Dems have only themselves to blame for obvious outcome of Senate race. 

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

 U.S. Rep. Jack Kingston’s one-point lead one week ago over businessman David Perdue has stretched to five points in the Republican Senate runoff, according to poll results released Thursday.

The InsiderAdvantage/Fox5/Morris News survey was conducted with OpinionSavvy this week and included both telephone and online surveys of 696 likely voters in Tuesday’s Georgia GOP primary runoff.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Or you're just getting gamed on the whole turning blue thing -


 Important Note: An early report from Morris News inadvertently stated that the InsiderAdvantage polls posted yesterday weighted African-Americans at 37%. The actual weight for black voters in the poll was 30.6%. The polling results reported by Morris/Fox5/ and IA are correct and unchanged. We appreciate the quick correction by Morris News and their papers. A few print and broadcast organizations engaged in rapid criticism of our survey based upon the earlier inadvertently reported weighting percentages. We have asked that they correct their stories and retract any statements based upon the incorrect information. Our polling tabulations are always available to our subscribers and are provided to RealClearPolitics, the nation’s leading source of polling and poll aggregation.


http://insideradvantage.com/2014/10/24/note-on-iag-poll/


Black or African American 2,349,542 28.7% (Georgia)


http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/georgia/demographic.html



There's your two point "lead" that nunn "has." Or a 9 point swing if Morris News is right.

EdUktr
EdUktr

Michelle Nunn = another Senate vote for Obama's policies.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@Laurie1113 --   The young people, especially young women, are looking at that link and looking at republicans with horror on their faces.  You've just dissed 50% of the next generation!


Republicans............the more you talk.............the more people vote Democrat!  Keep on a-talking repubs, keep on a-talking!!!!  Hey, someone say "Legitimate RApe" for old time's sake!  (smirk)

DeborahinAthens
DeborahinAthens

@Laurie1113: How right you are! I had just read about this and listened to this disgusting drivel. Just when you think the Right Wingers can't get more stupid, they shock and awe us one more time with the bottomless depths of their ignorance. When I was 18, I marched against a war and helped end it. when I was 18, I marched to end the draft (thank you white guys!) and got it ended so men like Kyle....prime cannon fodder --is here today to taunt us with his worldview. When I was young, we got birth control legalized...thank you young girls! When will the people who insist on supporting the GOp realize that these narrow-minded idiots do not have their best interests at heart. Young women, get out and vote these a-holes out of office!

sssinff
sssinff

@Laurie1113 Let's be fair, to the average FOX viewer, a young woman is aged 50 or under.

CuriousPrime
CuriousPrime

If Minorities, Women, Seasoned Military, and Young Adults voted in their own best interest, Georgia would be so Blue that social conservatives would go blind.

Robtown
Robtown

It was blue before, it will be blue again, then it will turn back to red eventually... it's cyclical. The only thing that doesn't change is all the lies told by those who wish to govern, but then fail to do so... blue or red.

luckjoe
luckjoe

@Robtown It was blue when the Democratic party was not a socialist party.

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

Obama has spoken, if Michelle is elected, he said he will be able to do great things.  That just assumes she will be his toady.  He must feel pretty confident that she will dance to his tune.


If he has all these great things he want's to do, what pray tell are they?  He controls the government and the Senate and has for 6 years, so what is he going to try to do now, that he couldn't do before?   He is going to have a GOP controlled Senate, or at best a more equal Senate, so how is now better than before? 

steveatl
steveatl

@DavidFarrar Well, seeing how the Republicans screwed up Iraq, let 911 happen...and Obama got Bin Laden and we're not invading countries for the heck of it, I'd say I feel safer with Democrats in power.

luckjoe
luckjoe

@steveatl you are kidding right?

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@RafeHollister    --- If young people can't vote, then they shouldn't be able to do these other things too:


Pay taxes

Join the military

Pay for OLD people's social security

Fight, get maimed and DIE in wars


We'll let you old folks handle that.  Since we're too "unconcerned and uninformed".

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

@DebbieDoRight Anyone who thinks college students and young people are incredibly informed are terribly uniformed themselves.  As a parent of two with masters degrees, it amazes me how unconcerned and uninformed my two are about politics and government.  Other things they seem to keep up with.


Anyone who has watched the man on the street interviews with college students on spring break or at Harvard Square is amazed at the sheer ignorance they display, when asked simple questions like who did we defeat in WWII or how many branches of government do we have.  People should have some rudimentary idea of how government works and what happened historically before they march off to the polls.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

Driving young women away from the polls --  Do we even have to get into why that's potentially one of the most damaging and regressive things that could happen to society?

NOTE: A spokesperson from Fox News told the Huffington Post that Guilfoyle will be continuing the discussion on "The Five" Thursday evening.

Guilfoyle tweeted the following preview:

Kimberly Guilfoye       ✔ @kimguilfoyleFollow

Should young women (or men for that matter) who haven’t studied the issues… cast their vote at the ballot box? That discussion on @TheFive

12:55 PM - 23 Oct 2014

Can't wait for Fox (cough) "News" to explain why only OLD people should vote.  If they feel that way, then only OLD people should pay taxes too.  Oh and why they're are it, why not suggest that only OLD people pay into Social security so that we "Young, Hot, Chicks" (according to guilfoyle), can keep more money in our pockets and buy a couple of CD's or invest that money that's taking up 1/3 of our paychecks and which is NOT going to us but to the OLD people who think we're too dumb to vote.  Let's have THAT discussion why don't we?

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@td1234   ---  No she wasn't.  Dang!! Do you guys just LIE just to be lying?  It's too easy these days to refute your lies in less than a minute!  Why do you even bother in the first place is beyond me.  Click on the video that was posted, or any of the links that was posted, and then tell me that "lie" again.

td1234
td1234

@DebbieDoRight A lie right out of Media matters. 


Ms. Guifoyle was talking about why prosecutors would not select young women for juries but keep believing the propaganda. 

RantNRave
RantNRave

I WILL E-MAIL THAT COMMENT TO THE EDITOR AND PUBLISHER AND ASK THEM IF IT 


IS MALFORMED CONTENT

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@RantNRave "Malformed content" is an IT issue, not anything I can do from my end. Even I have gotten that error message before, as have some others here.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@RantNRave -- When I get the "malformed content" banner, I usually just delete all extra spaces and that "usually" does it.  Sometimes though you have to "trick" the software.  Copy and paste your comment on your clipboard, delete what you've written, wait a bit, and then paste it back into the browser.  It should take then.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@FIGMO2 --  "Guilfoyle was right....some women can't or choose not to get it. Life isn't always pretty. "


So WHAT?  Some women do this SOME women do that so ALL women (especially the young) shouldn't vote  or sit on juries because of SOME women?  Jeesh! Where's the either/or with you people? Everything is always an absolute, there are shades of grey you know it's not ALL black and white!


Some women work as waitresses, so in your absolute world, ALL women are waitresses correct since there isn't any gray in your world just black and white?


Admit it, Fox News, the mouthpiece for hte republican party SAID IT. it's been on air, and it's running loops on youtube.  The young people, especially young women, are looking at it and looking at republicans with horror on their faces.  You've just dissed 50% of the next generation!


Republicans............the more you talk.............the more people vote Democrat!  Keep on a talking repubs, kep on a talking!!!!  

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@FIGMO2   ---  That was YOU.  Again, YOU paint everyone with the  same brush.  How very small and limited your world must be.

sssinff
sssinff

@FIGMO2 Year after year? I remember seeing a study that said FOX viewers were less informed than people who watched no news at all. So, don't flatter yourself.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

@DebbieDoRight

And Democrats assume ALL women should be interested in the SAME things.

Year after year PEW's research has shown older voters to be more politically informed, and Republican voters, in general, more informed than Democrats, so in essence, Guilfoyle is spot on.

I wasn't too interested in politics during my youth. Too busy chasing life.


Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

Red has given us high unemployment, low wage.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Not sure it is turning blue, but many people are disgusted by the "leadership" this state has had for 8 years.

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

@Wascatlady Well, we said the same thing about the lack of leadership and competence  in 2012, and the Dems said Obama just hadn't had enough time, so we gave him 4 more years.

Jazzpman
Jazzpman

Perhaps it is the candidates themselves in this election ?  The Governor basically was dishonest when it came to his personal income statement failing to mention his involvement with his daughter's store that went out of business.

Then you have a guy who made MILLIONS out sourcing US Jobs abroad, and closing a the factory he was suppose to revive.  


So how do you actually believe these two anyway ?


Nathan Deal has lead Georgia to the highest UN-employment rate in the country, and the education situation being poor in Georgia be it his fault or not ?


Maybe it is just the candidates, or is the the demographics ?  The White person the real Republican base, IS becoming a Minority across America.  

The last blog Kyle wrote about is HUGE...Are Republican's making an effort to help the " Minorities " who are becoming the majority ?


I would say ALL are in play in Georgia.  


Are Georgian's going to blindly trust as they have in the past is really the question ?

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

@Jazzpman  Deal get 3 mil from a company that owe 60 mil in taxes,  payola.  He should have to pay it back.