GOP candidate gains ground in … Ferguson, Missouri?

Well, this is … unexpected. From the Washington Post:

“FERGUSON, Mo. — Darren Seals experienced waves of disbelief and anger after Michael Brown’s death, but two months later, he has found a way to channel his emotions: Focus on changing an elected leadership that seems deaf to the concerns of African American residents like him.

“So on Nov. 4, the 27-year-old assembly-line worker and hip-hop musician from a deeply Democratic community plans to take bold action. He says he will vote for a white Republican.

“‘Just because they’ve got the D next to their name, that don’t mean nothing,’ said Seals, who lives a few blocks from where a police officer shot Brown. ‘The world is watching us right now. It’s time to send a message of our power.'”

If you didn’t notice it the first time, go back and read that dateline: Ferguson, Missouri.

And lest you think Seals is a lone voice:

“Earlier this month, a coalition of some 20 African American Democratic leaders called a news conference to endorse the GOP candidate (for St. Louis county executive), state Rep. Rick Stream. Armed with voter registration forms, activists like Seals have been roaming black neighborhoods urging people to vote for anyone but the Democrat.

“The plan is not only to beat back a local candidate they view as particularly unfriendly to black residents, but also to present a show of force to Democratic leaders all the way up to Sen. Claire McCaskill and Gov. Jay Nixon. By switching their allegiance in this election, these African Americans hope to demonstrate that their votes should not be taken for granted.”

St. Louis County, like many urban parts of America, has been dominated by Democrats for years; the Post’s story says a Republican has not been elected county executive there in a quarter-century. And although Missouri is a swing state in federal contests, it has had Democratic governors for all but four years since 1993, with two more years to go in the term of the current governor, Democrat Jay Nixon. Democrats will have held the Missouri governor’s mansion for 20 out of 24 years by the time Nixon’s term ends.

So why should the people of Ferguson, understandably frustrated by the way the authorities handled the aftermath of Brown’s shooting, vote to keep these officials? “Just because they’ve got the D next to their name,” as Seals put it?

As I have written before, Republicans have done far too little to encourage black voters to choose them instead of the Democrats. But at some point, black voters also have to ask themselves this question: Have Democrats done much better by them over the past few decades? And if not, what’s more likely to bring changes: continuing to let one party monopolize their votes, or putting their votes up for grabs?

Lest you think this is a wholly partisan plea, the same thing could be said for groups that tend to vote for Republicans, from evangelical Christians to small business owners, without seeing the changes the GOP perennially promises them.

Of course, the “other” party in each of these cases also has to make clear that its doors are open. The smartest thing the Republican candidate in St. Louis County said to the black voters suddenly considering him, per the Post’s story, was “I have to come up here and hear about what you all care about.”

None of this is to suggest any of these voting blocs will suddenly swing solidly toward the party they’ve long opposed. But simply making their votes more competitive at the margins would be squarely in their own self-interest. It might also help break up some of the permanent partisan gridlock so many people decry … right up to the time they vote for their usual party.

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DawgDadII
DawgDadII

"Republicans have done far too little to encourage black voters to choose them instead of the Democrats"


This is a patently absurd statement. Politically speaking, what do Republicans do for ME or anyone else that they don't do for blacks? Absolutely nothing that I have ever seen in my 60-plus years on this planet. Go ahead, fire away.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@DawgDadII "Politically speaking, what do Republicans do for ME or anyone else that they don't do for blacks?"

Nothing. But then, there's not a 95% chance you're predisposed to vote against them.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

@Kyle_Wingfield @DawgDadII  Absolutely correct, because I don't look to government for a pandering or handout. That has NO basis is race, never had, never will.


I was never predisposed to vote against Democrats. I've voted for many, virtually none in the last 30 years. Richard Gephardt was my local House Rep for many years (St. Louis County); I watched him get swallowed up by the Democrat Party over time and become a hollow shell of a man committed to his core values and principles. Then they totally abandoned him over NAFTA.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@DawgDadII OK, but don't you think the GOP might have to do a little more work to attract a group of people who almost unanimously vote against the GOP? Kind of the way Coke might have to work a little harder, and in a little different way, to attract long-time Pepsi drinkers?

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

@Kyle_Wingfield @DawgDadII  We are dealing with long-established, entrenched, and very corrupt political machines in the inner cities. Like Ferguson, where the population is primarily black but the administration is mostly white, if the people don't like the government they are getting THEY need to stand up and do something about it. In many places, like Chicago or St. Louis, easier said than done, and many simply chose to move away when they can.

HDB0329
HDB0329

@Kyle_Wingfield Republicans don't marginalize the white vote as they attempt to do so to the black vote.....and that evidence is clear....


Republicans don't castigate white users of governmental services as they do minorities...


That's just two......


notagain
notagain

If the republicans did not desire a GUN in every pocket,then the police would not have to be so quick to shoot....Seals needs put blame where it lies.If any of the people are dumb enough to listen to him and the others.

HDB0329
HDB0329

....an intriguing point that conservatives don't want to remember.....


"Goldwater’s ability to transmit a set of codes that white voters readily understood as a promise to protect racial segregation. It seemed that voters simply ignored Goldwater’s philosophy of governance as well as his party affiliation and instead rewarded his hostility toward civil rights. In this sense, Goldwater’s conservatism operated in the South less like a genuine political ideology and more like Wallace’s soft porn racism: as a set of codes that voters readily understood as defending white supremacy. Goldwater didn’t win the South as a small-government libertarian, but rather as a racist."




http://www.salon.com/2013/12/22/how_the_gop_became_the_white_mans_party/



DawgDadII
DawgDadII

@HDB0329  There may be some truth in that, primarily in how some people perceived him. But this is a VERY one-sided analysis, as is totally ignores the racism inherent in the policies of liberal Democrats of the day and in the Democrat voter base. Many, many Democrats of the day, not just in the South, were VERY racist, and of course many are today.

HDB0329
HDB0329

@DawgDadII ...but the preponderance of those racist Democrats became REPUBLICANS......and fostered a new generation of those who are antithetical to minorities....RE: Tea Party!! Note the legislation that Republicans put forth that are antithetical to minorities....and look at those working poor who historically vote AGAINST their interests in order to marginalize minorities....even though they are the greatest users of governmental services.......

straker
straker

Rafe  - "make them work for your vote"


Unfortunately, once they're elected, many of them promptly forget those who voted for them and began currying favor with the lobbyists.


jezel
jezel

Those people in Missouri do not seem to know what century that are living in. How could they have missed the Civil Rights movement ? Living like this the 1950's...embracing Jim Crow laws..segregating main street..killing Black folks like they can get away with it...


What happened in the south and other parts of America...is getting ready to happen in Ferguson and  St. Louis.

Dusty2
Dusty2

Well. Darren Seals is using his own mind and observations to make decisions  at election time.  That is a good sign anywhere.  Use your own head when it is time to vote.


Let us hope the GOP in that area will  encourage him and others  to continue this new burst of independence. .   

RantNRave
RantNRave

"But at some point, black voters also have to ask themselves this question: Have Democrats done much better by them over the past few decades?"...............JFMcNamara


DEMOCRATS HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION.....



WHAT HAS THE REPUBLICANS DONE FOR BLACK PEOPLE LATELY??


EXTENDED UNEMPLOYMENT?

RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE?



What the GOP HAS done is:


#1.......Cut nutrition aid for poor Americans

#2.......Cut funding for domestic programs that serve the elderly, children, and the poor

#3......A proposed farm bill that would have cut $20 billion from the food stamp program..

#4......cut of that size—nearly a fifth of SNAP's current budget

#5......The Republican Playbook IS Cutting Anti-Poverty Programs

#6......GOP's War on Voting: New Laws ..


I'LL VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS BEFORE I VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICANS 

332-206
332-206

Probably the saddest commentary on this event is...

it's seen as news...

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

If your vote is a given, you have no bargaining power, you just don't count!  


It applies to both parties.  Make them work for your vote.

JFMcNamara
JFMcNamara

But at some point, black voters also have to ask themselves this question: Have Democrats done much better by them over the past few decades?


Um, yeah.  Who did confederate flag votes, denies insurance to the poor, opted out of the voting rights act and tries to suppress the vote. Which party took the hope scholarship from poor kids and gave it to wealthy kids?  Which party was in charge for 8 years, then had a stock market crash, a housing collapse and rampant unemployment. Which party consistently tries to cut the safety net.  Which party is openly hostile to Hispanic and African Americans? Which party has helped increase the concentration of wealth by crafting policy to suppress wages, suppress workers rights while creating tax loopholes to give the rich lower effective rates?


Clinton/Obama have absolutely dominated the two Bushes by every metric from economic growth and decreasing deficits to increasing personal freedoms. 


I probably would vote against my leaders if I was in Ferguson, but on the whole, there's no chance I would vote Republican.  I often vote split ticket if I think a Democrat is totally incompetent (ie David Scott) , but Democrats have absolutely crushed the Republicans in the last two decades.

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@JFMcNamara "Who did confederate flag votes"

I thought all those guys became Republicans?

"opted out of the voting rights act"

No one did that; the Supreme Court said decades-old data couldn't be the basis for enforcing one section of the VRA.

"tries to suppress the vote"

Minority participation in elections has gone up since voter ID was introduced, which isn't surprising unless you think minorities are incapable/unwilling when it comes to obtaining a free government-issued ID.

"Which party took the hope scholarship from poor kids and gave it to wealthy kids?"

Um, no one did that. The amount of the award was cut for all recipients, because tuition increases were outstripping lottery revenues.

I could go on ...

RantNRave
RantNRave

"None of this is to suggest any of these voting blocs will suddenly swing solidly toward the party they’ve long opposed"


THE GOP can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but THEY cannot fool all the people all the time. 

Trefusis
Trefusis

@RantNRave  On the other hand, "The people will vote for whatever forked thing the Party put up, even though it do not strictly resemble a man."  -- Mark Twain

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

The man asked a question. "What have the democrats done for me?" None of these liberals have even attempted to answer it. It's just Republicans this and Republicans that, all lies. 


Answer the man.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Tell us how you hooked them up with grinding, soul breaking poverty as a career.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhineTheGreat


In addition to that, the House version of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by only 61 percent of that Chamber's Democrats while 80 percentof Republicans embraced the act. In the final Senate vote on the Act, it received82 percentof the Republican vote and was opposed by69 percentof Democrats.


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964


Next.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@IReportYouWhineTheGreat Your right Southern Conservative Democrats voted against the bill.


They are all Republicans today a fact you haven't quite grasped yet.


You see party affiliations change..Political parties are living breathing things..They don't stay static. For example there used to be a fairly large liberal wing of the Republican party...But as we know those days are gone.


But keep pluggin away. 

Trefusis
Trefusis

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhineTheGreat  Historically true.  So are you arguing that old school, racist Democrats came to realize that they were marked for extinction, and entered a new century by changing party affiliation?  This to me is all too complicated, as I believe there were a lot of genuine changes of heart, as well as creepy determinations involving political self-preservation.  Both parties were better then than they are now.  They just were.  I can't find any reason to fault someone for her party affiliation.  Let each team field its best squad.  I know what jersey I wear, and don't sit on the sidelines.  Whether on the gridiron or the diamond or the court, we all want to meet again next season in larger purpose.  We'd all feel impoverished somehow, were that not to occur.  Therefore we all share a somewhat higher expectation, or allegiance  Call that allegiance one "to the Sport", or "to the Nation", it's bigger than the team and the fans of the previous winning season.  Because we all hope to meet one another again soon in a neverending contest. 


That's not my favorite metaphor for electoral democracy but rather is an unoriginal and damn good one, Headley.  Meaning that at some point it ceases to matter who's scoring points, minute-to-minute, second by second.  Because eventually the clock stops, the season ends.  And then everything is reset, and restarts.  Sometimes, the next thing you know, in training you find yourself with the unlikeliest of new teammates. 

HDB0329
HDB0329

@IReportYouWhineTheGreat .....lest you forget: Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott......the former DEMOCRATS that turned REPUBLICANS....and took the racist paradigm into the GOP......

HDB0329
HDB0329

@IReportYouWhineTheGreat Democrats since 1964 have worked to protect my rights as an American citizen.....Republicans have persisted in attempts to marginalize it; Democrats have increased educational spending so that more minorities can take advantage of higher education; Republicans cut educational spending; Democrats have been open to minority input and have placed more minorities in elected positions; Republicans have NOT been open to minority input as has been shown by a predominately Caucasian representation at the Republican National Convention; Democrats come to minority neighborhoods and ask for our vote; Republicans IGNORE the community and refuse to consider minorities as constituents.....


That's a start.......

straker
straker

I Whine


You cannot prove any of that anti-Democratic propaganda just posted.


So, who do you think you're fooling?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

 Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other right.

speech to Congress, Dec. 3, 1861

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.

letter to H.L. Pierce, Apr. 6, 1859

A majority held in restraint by constitutional checks and limitations, and always changing easily with deliberate changes of popular opinions and sentiments, is the only true sovereign of a free people. Whoever rejects it does of necessity fly to anarchy or to despotism.

First Inaugural Address, Mar. 4, 1861

I never encourage deceit, and falsehood, especially if you have got a bad memory, is the worst enemy a fellow can have. The fact is truth is your truest friend, no matter what the circumstances are.

letter to George E. Pickett, Feb. 22, 1841

Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.

August 27, 1856 Speech at Kalamazoo, Michigan


http://www.conservativequotedatabase.com/abraham-lincoln

HDB0329
HDB0329

@IReportYouWhineTheGreat ....and Lincoln's letter to Horace Greeley: 


"In the letter, Lincoln emphasized his primary goal: “I would save the Union. … If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it. … What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union.” In this masterful message, Lincoln reaffirmed his support for abolition without apologizing for the pace of change, while also subtly preparing pro-slavery Union loyalists for the announcement to come. (http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/emancipation-150/i-would-save-the-union.html)


Freeing black people wasn't Lincoln's focus.....it was a by-product!!

HDB0329
HDB0329

@IReportYouWhineTheGreat ....FAR from a misunderstanding...if Lincoln didn't have to free the slaves to save the Union, the slaves would've been sacrificed!!


"If I could save the Union WITHOUT freeing any slave,  I would do it..."


That's pretty cut-and-dry......

87GaDawg
87GaDawg

Best political movie ever - Bullworth.


Warren Beatty plays the politician.  He's been in power forever.  He gets cornered by a voter.


"Bullworth, what are you going to do for me if you are re-elected?"

"What I have done for you so far?"

"Nothing."

"Well, there you go..."




Trefusis
Trefusis

@87GaDawg  "Bullworth" was a blast.  Let's combine sometime to compile a list of the best ten political flicks.  It might have to go to Top 20 should we include the utterly serious ones, even excluding some groundbreaking stuff from abroad.  I take it you mean movies concerning the inner workings of party and abuses of power by elected officials in the West.  Even were we to keep it to a Top 10-12 in American films of that sort it would be quite a contest.  I'll forever be grateful to Bullworth's fearless spoof of modern fundraising.  That turn by Beatty contained several nods to Redford's "The Candidate", which was felt roughly as immediate and outrageous in its time, and which was based on everyone's uncertainty in California concerning Jerry Brown.  Those activist actor/directors want to believe and do believe but you can't BS them too much because, after all, they're in the BS biz and they came up having to fake everything in a pinch, to the point of make-up, editing, body doubles, trick editing--whatever it takes.  There's something honest and solid about their both having made good movies to this effect.  Obviously both movies were the opposite of glamor projects, despite their handsome leading men being in most every scene, which is what it took to put together the production money. 


I've seen other movies, even comparatively low-budget ones, that were so witty and so scary-real that you'd swear they couldn't been written only by somebody who'd been a full-time political prostitute. A few of them aren't even discernibly partisan.  So it depends upon what you mean and how you'd choose to narrow the field of entrants.  "Bullworth", yes.  But compared with what? 

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

The Republican Party, also commonly called the GOP (abbreviation for Grand Old Party), is one of the two major contemporary political parties in the United States, the other being the Democratic Party. Founded by anti-slavery activists in 1854, it dominated politics nationally for most of the period from 1860 to 1932. There have been 18 Republican presidents, the first being Abraham Lincoln, serving from 1861 to 1865.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)


They lie to you and then keep you down. On purpose. Create your "enemies" for you, "enemies" you wouldn't even know about if it wasn't for the democrats lying to you about them. For your vote. They will never allow you to become successful, because then you will join the "I want a low tax rate" crowd. Little tiny crumbs like "free" birth control is all you will ever get from them.

HDB0329
HDB0329

@IReportYouWhineTheGreat .....is THIS a lie about the GOP??


RE: Southern Strategy:  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are."


While Phillips sought to polarize ethnic voting in general, and not just to win the white South, the South was by far the biggest prize yielded by his approach. Its success began at the presidential level, gradually trickling down to statewide offices, the Senate, and the House, as some legacy segregationist Democrats retired or switched to the GOP.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HDB0329


Former racists of both parties renounced their old views (as Kevin Williamson points out, Johnson himself voted against anti-lynching laws and poll-tax repeals), and neither party has a perfect record on racial matters by any stretch. But it is a libel to suggest that the Republican Party, the anti-slavery party, the party of Lincoln, and the party that traditionally supported civil rights, anti-lynching laws and integration, became the racist party after 1964.


http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/29497044-452/the-myth-of-a-gop-southern-strategy.html#.VEAmZPnoigY

HDB0329
HDB0329

@IReportYouWhineTheGreat @HDB0329


.....when the statements about racist strategy comes from the GOP ITSELF??


RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."