It’s Friday, and you know what that means

It worked pretty well last week, so we’re going to try it again today … here is your Friday Open Thread. Do with it what you like (as long as you keep it within the bounds I normally enforce with moderation; do that, and we can keep it around).

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Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

OK, I think this one has gone on long enough if we've gotten to the point of discussing whether "Tealiban" is "true" (that's frankly ridiculous) or equivalent to "fascist" or whatever else.

RantNRave
RantNRave

Kyle, just a question, "Tealiban Party," okay, F-word, not okay?

Kyle, just a question, "delusional paranoid" okay, f-word not okay?


One way or the other.

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Posted: 1:00 am Friday, September 12th, 2014 By Kyle Wingfield

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IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Kyle, just a question, "delusional paranoid" okay, f-word not okay?


It's one way or the other.

Captain–Obvious
Captain–Obvious

I think that "rafe's views on holder constitute delusional paranoia" is acceptable because true. Again, I stand to be corrected by our host, to the extent necessary.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@D_Lucy Rafe doesn't have anything to do with it. There is underlying reason and substance to his beliefs and should be the subject of the debate. You are making it personal. That's not allowed, according to the rules.

straker
straker

Rafe - "his destructive legacy in the area of civil liberties and constitutional government"


Its sad that you actually believe that.

Captain–Obvious
Captain–Obvious

Plus, he's an educated, intelligent, accomplished and powerful black man, and thus a threat to white hegemony. Just like his boss.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@D_Lucy He's more of a threat to big government and liberalism, if you want to know the truth.

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@straker Yes it is


But in the delusional paranoid everything is a scandal world of the GOP


They actually do.


One of the reasons they don't like him....He fought FOR Civil Liberties for the Gay and Lesbian community.

Captain–Obvious
Captain–Obvious

You hope. Perhaps you want to prepare yourself for a little disappointment on this one.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Kyle, just a question, "Tealiban Party," okay, F-word, not okay?


One way or the other.

Captain–Obvious
Captain–Obvious

Kyle can correct me on this, but "tealiban party" is true, if both sad and ironic, whereas "fascist" is misunderstood (on this blog at least) and thus wholly incorrect.

Correct usage, on the other hand, is acceptable. For example, "the nazis were fascists" would not be subject to censorship.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@D_Lucy And to further that, do you consider fascism to be solely government jackboots stuffing minorities into the gas chamber?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@D_Lucy Just to clarify, I don't think the democrats are stuffing minorities into the gas chambers. (-; 


That's not what the word means.

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

Someone from the left that is not delusional about the tenure of Eric Holder.


Johnathan Turley


First black attorney general was strong on civil rights, but will be remembered for assaulting civil liberties.


His calling the United States a "nation of cowards" on race was a brave but also a divisive moment. In the end, however, his positive work in the area of civil rights will ultimately be eclipsed by his destructive legacy in the area of civil liberties and constitutional government.


The sad truth is that Holder could have been truly great — not simply as the first black attorney general but as a man of principle who stood with the law over politics and friendship. In one of the great lost opportunities in history, Holder will finish his tenure as he began it: a man with great but still unrealized potential.


HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@Jazzpman Nope its the highest now.


In Mississippi they say.


Thank God for Georgia !!!!

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @Jazzpman


“It’s ironic that in a year in which Republican governors are leading some of the states that are making the most progress, that they almost, without exception, are classified as having a bump in their unemployment rates,” he said in a clip circulated by the Democratic Governors Association. “Whereas states that are under Democrat governors’ control, they are all showing that their unemployment rate has dropped. And I don’t know how you account for that. Maybe there is some influence here that we don’t know about.”


http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/georgia-nathan-deal-unemployment-data-111123.html#ixzz3ESAR0xx9


Tp paraphrase Wingfield, which would you rather have, robust job growth or a federal that says you do, when you actually don't?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @RafeHollister @Jazzpman I have no idea how bigfoot got into this. Anyway, a government that fakes weather data, calls tropical depressions "hurricanes," lies right into your face about your doctor/ health care plan/ hospital, won't tell the truth about the economy, sics the irs on political opponents, would have no problem at all creating thousands more unemployed in the red states.


You have heard of geobbels, haven't you?

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@IReportYouWhine Bigfoot got into it because I brought it up.


14 percent of Americans believe in bigfoot.


Which is about as likely to exist as some sort of conspiracy to rig unemployment numbers


Yes I have heard of Goebbels.


This is not Nazi Germany. Everything is not a conspiracy to make Republicans look bad


They do a good enough job of that on their own.



IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine


Just two years before the presidential election, the Census Bureau had caught an employee fabricating data that went into the unemployment report, which is one of the most closely watched measures of the economy.


And a knowledgeable source says the deception went beyond that one employee — that it escalated at the time President Obama was seeking reelection in 2012 and continues today.


http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/


And how do they know that? The census own report.


Sounds a bit more substantial than this big foot thing of yours. 


And that's^^ exactly what geobbels job was, creating numbers and data that put hitler in a good light and the Jews in a bad one. (no repug governor compared to the plight of the Jews thing going on here, okay?)


I mean, it's right before your eyes

RafeHollister
RafeHollister

So, the proggies allege that no one can come up with specifics on why Holder is so despised by the right and tradional left.  Here is a good article detailing the reasons.  Many on the left do not like his trampling on civil liberties, but the proggies got over civil liberty worries long ago, when they adopted the whatever means necessary approach, to implement their agenda.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/30/as-anger-at-eric-holder-grows-so-does-his-value-as-obama-s-lightning-rod.html


As Michael A. Walsh notes in the New York Post, Holder is directly involved in essentially every aspect of President Obama’s second-term scandalpalooza. Not only did he sign off on the search warrant for Fox News’s James Rosen’s personal emails, he is at the center of questions over the state’s broad surveillance of the AP, an operation that has raised hackles across the political spectrum regarding First Amendment issues and civil-liberties concerns. (Holder did himself no favors by recusing himself from the AP case in vague and uncertain terms). Walsh notes that “even the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of conservative and Tea Party groups for special scrutiny—[finds its] nexus at the top of the Justice Department.”


snip


But it’s not just right-wingers who are up in arms over Holder. Apart from his casual approach to civil liberties and the First Amendment, folks on the left are livid that the attorney general can find no one on Wall Street to perp-walk directly from the corner offices of JPMorgan into federal prison. Progressive senators such as Sherrod Brown (D-OH) and Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) are asking the DOJ exactly when “too big to fail” morphed into “too big to jail.” Pathetically, Holder told Congress that he is daunted by the size of the institutions he is investigating and that the sheer bigness of financial institutions “has an inhibiting influence—impact on our ability to bring resolutions that I think would be more appropriate ... I think that is something that we—you all—need to consider.”

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

"scandalpalooza"?

Get back to me when anything approaching Iran Contra or the fake WMDs or, hell, the Plame affair ever arises from this Administration.

(If y'all ever gave a rat's arse about how the Administration screwed homeowners with the HAMP program, I might cut you some slack because yeah, that WAS, and is, a scandal. But you don't, so I won't.)


RafeHollister
RafeHollister

@stands_for_decibels @Finn-McCool @RafeHollister The article was actually written by some yahoo, name Nick Gillespie with the dailybeast, but had it been written by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Will Rogers, or Batman, you would give it the same disregard, because you don't want  to believe it.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

My, these liberal commenters on this blog seem very angry. That can't leave one comment without some petty schoolyard taunt attached to it. 


Somebody pee in their cornflakes?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Matter of fact, has a Supreme Court justice ever voted in favor of anything that holder brought before them? Think about that for a minute, ginsburg, total lib, hasn't ever said aye.

Tealiban_Party
Tealiban_Party

Yes!! Ginsburg needs to go. We need more justices like Harriet Mier. (Roll eyes...)

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

13 Supreme Court cases that holder lost 9 to nothing, yeah, what a marvel.

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@IReportYouWhine @Finn-McCool @HeadleyLamar The previous one. 


Muskasey or Gonazalez most likely.