Broken Obamacare promises, abortion edition

“And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up — under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”remarks by President Obama to a joint session of Congress, Sept. 9, 2009

“(A) new GAO study shows that, instead, taxpayers are subsidizing abortions. Customers in five states have no abortion-free plans available to them, and in many states, customers can’t tell which plans cover abortion and which don’t.”report by the Washington Examiner’s Timothy Carney, Sept. 15, 2014

Bart Stupak, call your office.

The GAO study to which Carney’s story refers, which you can read here, shows a broad disregard by federal and state agencies for the types of promises Obama and other Democrats made about taxpayer funding of abortions during the Obamacare debate — not to mention the executive order Obama signed to that effect. In 19 states plus the District of Columbia (including Georgia) at least some Obamacare plans offered on health-insurance exchanges cover abortion outside the exceptions permitted in the law for rape, incest or danger to the life of the mother. The study delineates states according to whether they have passed laws expressly banning such coverage, but that would seem to be rather immaterial when it comes to the use of federal tax dollars governed by federal laws and executive orders.

In some states, the number of plans offering such “non-excepted” abortion services are relatively low: two of 129 in Texas and nine of 78 in Georgia, although the latter figure still represents a not-insignificant ratio of roughly 1-in-9. But in others, coverage is more the rule than the exception: 86 of 90 in California, 109 of 111 in Massachusetts, 405 of 426 in New York. The choices are scarce for insurance shoppers who don’t want their plan to cover abortion — and, in turn, to subsidize the abortions of others on their plans.

Invariably, some of the people who choose these plans are going to have their entire premiums covered by federal taxpayers, which makes a mockery of the assurances given to anti-abortion Democrats like Stupak. And even among those who are paying part of their premium, the statutory obligation to bill consumers for services that aren’t supposed to be subsidized, including abortion, was often being ignored:

“Fifteen issuers and the Washington Health Benefit Exchange — which bills enrollees on behalf of issuers offering (Qualified Health Plans) in the state-based exchange … did not itemize the premium amount associated with non-excepted abortion services coverage on enrollees’ bills nor indicate that they send a separate bill for that premium amount.”

Another Obamacare promise whose expiration date has passed.

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LogicalDude
LogicalDude

Here's the rub: If ANY of the COMPANIES offer two different types of plans with two different types of subsidized coverage (abortion covered vs. abortion not covered), it can be argued that taxes paid for abortions.

The company paid for abortions.

The company received government subsidies. 

Thus the government (and your taxes) paid for abortions. 


So, EVEN IF separate plans exist, I do not see this issue ending in the eyes of Christian conservatives. 

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

No comments available on next two blogs.  I wanted to comment an agreement on the UN/Ebola response post. 

Kyle_Wingfield
Kyle_Wingfield moderator

@LogicalDude Not sure what you mean by "no comments available." I haven't heard of anyone else having problems. Are you sure you haven't been logged out? The system has done that to some people. If not that, try refreshing the page.

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

@Kyle_Wingfield @LogicalDude Not sure what happened either.  There was a huge blank space under the column where comments should have been.  


I'll assume it was a "glitch" and software works as designed now. 

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

Any pretense to rationality goes out the window when it comes to that legal procedure that conservatives have (mostly) decided is icky but don't have the guts to actually re-criminalize.


straker
straker

I Whine - "It'd be nice if somebody did"


I thought you didn't like an overpowering Big Government.

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

Considering that obamacare was only passed because of the concerns of the American people about abortion were addressed, you'd think this would be a top priority. Apparently the democrat party is not set up that way, it's just say what ever you have to to get your bill passed or get elected and then let the stupidity of the American people kick in. Belittle the ones who are cognizant enough to catch it. Change the subject if they persist. 


We the People?

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@IReportYouWhine Considering that obamacare was only passed because of the concerns of an extremely vocal minority about abortion were addressed,


FIFY

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine The Republican fiction over "how 'Obamacare' was passed" continues apace, doesn't it? So far I've heard that it was some kind of parliamentary "trick" to pass it without 60 Senate votes, and that Obama's campaign speechifying about "keep your plan" was somehow the "Lie of the Year," or possibly the century.


And now we have this crazy notion that it was a "top concern of the American people" that the icky procedure they don't like didn't get funded in any way shape or form by any company that had anything to do with "Obamacare," or some such nonsense.

straker
straker

Kyle, are you suggesting that Obama should have complete control over what insurance companies can and cannot cover?

Aquagirl
Aquagirl

@straker We have no idea what Kyle actually wants the president to do, this is all about partisan whining.

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

I guess the solution is quite simple: 


An Executive Order from Obama repealing (that the right word?) his previous Executive Order. 


THEN will the Republicans be happy that the promise was a fake promise and the government can now fund abortions for those who cannot afford the procedure?


;) 

ThulsaDoom
ThulsaDoom

@LogicalDude


If poor people can't afford abortion then why are so many abortion centers located in poor black neighborhoods?

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@ThulsaDoom @LogicalDude http://www.factcheck.org/2011/11/cains-false-attack-on-planned-parenthood/


Herman Cain has offered an alternate version of history in claiming that Planned Parenthood’s founder wanted to prevent “black babies from being born.” We find no support for that old claim. Cain also states that the organization built 75 percent of its clinics in black communities, but there’s no evidence that was true then. And today, only 9 percent of U.S. abortion clinics are in neighborhoods where half or more of residents are black, according to the most recent statistics.


Another low info Fox News viewer.

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

@ThulsaDoom @LogicalDude "poor black neighborhoods"


What is is with conservatives/Republicans injecting race into a class argument? 


Perhaps the poor have less access to effective contraceptives. (When ideally, they should be free.)

Perhaps the poor have less education about contraceptives. (Because of stupid "abstinence only" type curricula in many red states.)


Why don't you investigate the reasons, and get back to me. See if my off-the-cuff remarks hit close to home. 

MHSmith
MHSmith

@HeadleyLamar 

You didn't look very hard, did you brucie?



Margaret Higgins Sanger (September 14, 1879 – September 6, 1966) was an American birth control activist, sex educator, and nurse. Sanger popularized the term birth control, opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, and established organizations that evolved into the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Sanger's efforts contributed to several judicial cases that helped legalize contraception in the United States. Sanger is a frequent target of criticism by opponents of birth control and has also been criticized for supporting eugenics, but remains an iconic figure in the American reproductive rights movement...

 ....Sanger's writings echoed ideas about inferiority and loose morals of particular races that were widespread in the contemporary United States. In one "What Every Girl Should Know" commentary, she observed that Aboriginal Australians were "just a step higher than the chimpanzee" with "little sexual control," as compared to the "normal man and Woman."[93

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Race

AvailableName
AvailableName

Kyle's case against Obama, version umpteen:


Obama made a promise, issued an order implementing the promise and failed to monitor and enforce it at a state by state, plan by plan level.  The violating insurance carriers are not to blame.  The numerous slack state insurance departments get a pass.  It's Obama's fault.


I can just see the scene when the cost of the new "department of making sure insurance companies and state insurance departments don't violate Executive Order no. XXXX" goes before the appropriate House Republican controlled committee.



LogicalDude
LogicalDude

@AvailableName Republicans would stop any increase in government oversight.  GOVERNMENT INTRUSION MUST BE STOPPED!!!


AvailableName
AvailableName

@IReportYouWhine @AvailableName No, of course not.  He could set up a monitoring and enforcement program robbing funds from other departments.  Then Republicans would blame him for micro-management and usurping Congress' power of the purse.


As we all know, everything is Obama's fault, at least until 2017 when Hillary takes over.

Finn-McCool
Finn-McCool

The lies that sold us on the Iraq war ended up killing how many Americans? And how many Iraqi civilians?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

2010 Census results reveal that Planned Parenthood is targeting minority neighborhoods. 79% of its surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods.


http://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/


I respect the blog rules and let the information^^ speak for itself.

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@IReportYouWhine @HeadleyLamar Nope its pretty straightforward.


They are going where they are needed. Pretty smart. 


And poor minority women need them to provide contraceptives ( preventing abortions ) health screens for things like breast cancer etc.



HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

"Are we better off with some of this money going to pay for abortions?


Absolutely Yes.


Otherwise we are back to the days of back alley clinics and women forced to use clothes hangers.


Abortion should always be a last resort but if necessary it should be done in a clinic in a safe environment.

TBS
TBS

@FIGMO2 @HeadleyLamar 

But thanks to Roe v Wade abortion is legal to some degree or another in all states and will remain as such. 

Certain states have and will win certain concessions but the Supremes will not be voting to overturn Roe V Wade.

End of the day.  If you are against abortion then don't have one.  

TBS
TBS

@FIGMO2 @HeadleyLamar 

Yep Gosnell was operating outside of the law and was prosecuted as he should have been.

And yes there are states under the guise of "safety" who are attempting to decrease the number of abortions in the state in question.  

But you ride that Gosnell train as if it is the norm as long as you need to do so.  

TBS
TBS

@FIGMO2 @TBS 

He broke the law and was rightfully prosecuted.

If you can show that it is the norm then post it.  Not an Op Ed or your own opinion but substantiated fact that Gosnell's law breaking is the norm

You can't so you tap dance with two right feet in efforts to play semantics and deflect. 


Nice try.



TBS
TBS

@FIGMO2 @TBS 

If you are against abortion then don't have one.

End of story.  I need not guarantee you anything nor will I be doing so .


As I stated already: 



"I will let those who are appalled and up in arms be just that.

Maybe this loophole gets closed or maybe it doesn't.  

The gnashing of teeth and tantrums thrown in the mean time will be pure entertainment at its finest. "

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@FIGMO2 @HeadleyLamar  " And when states attempt to establish regulations that would ensure a safe environment, you liberals accuse them of shutting down abortion clinics."


Thats because that isn't at all what those laws were about.


The emphasis was on shutting down abortion clinics. Not making them "safer"

TBS
TBS

@HeadleyLamar @FIGMO2 

Most who are stating this are very aware of the real intentions but can't help but parrot the talking points. 

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

@FIGMO2 @TBS " I won't have to pay to have someone else's"


If you have religious regions to exempt yourself from the law, then use it. 

Some religions do not like blood transfusions. 

Some religions do not like organ transplants. 


Get a religious waver. (If there is not a process, then fight for this process.  But do not let that keep back progress for those who do not believe the same as you do.)

TBS
TBS

Doesn't bother me in the least.  Matter of fact I wouldn't have minded if there had been coverage from the start and it was stated as such.  Probably wouldn't have passed but oh well.


I will let those who are appalled and up in arms be just that.

Maybe this loophole gets closed or maybe it doesn't.  

The gnashing of teeth and tantrums thrown in the mean time will be pure entertainment at its finest.  

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

The choices are scarce for insurance shoppers who don’t want their plan to cover abortion — and, in turn, to subsidize the abortions of others on their plans. 


Isnt this just the market meeting what demand there is ? 

Finn-McCool
Finn-McCool

On national TV  Lindsey Graham promised us that Saddam Hussein had WMD before we went to war. How do you Cons feel about that lie?

IReportYouWhine
IReportYouWhine

The compromise on abortion allowed Obama to secure votes from a small group of Democratic lawmakers who traditionally voted in favor of restrictions on abortion funding. Their support was critical in the face of overwhelming Republican opposition to the legislation.


Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/09/16/concerns_raised_over_obamacare_abortion_coverage_123993.html#ixzz3DUyymlyO 


Have these "backstabbed" democrats raised any complaints about this?
In the back pocket?

MHSmith
MHSmith

"Are we better off with some of this money going to pay for abortions?

.

NO!

Finn-McCool
Finn-McCool

Old advertising adage:


"Sell the sizzle, not the steak."